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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: HoQ
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Tue Sep 18 20:06:20 2012
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com>, "tlhingan-hol@kli.org"
<tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 00:05:56 +0000
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Rohan is correct that {HoQ} and {Qaq} are absent from paq'batlh, and the us=
es of {mIl} are exactly those which he mentioned.
The words {quv} (the verb and the noun) appear many times. Some of the more=
interesting examples, in my opinion:
quvlIj vIchoq
--Translated as "Your honor will be saved,"
[paq'yav, Canto 6]
ghaH rI' 'ej quvmoH
qanra' qamchIy qup'a'
--"He is welcomed by Kahnrah
--Patriarch of Qam-Chee
[paq'raD, Canto 10]
vaSvamDaq
tuq veng je quvvaD
Heghqangbogh SuvwI=92 tu=92be=92lu=92=92a=92
--Is there nobody in this hall
--Prepared to die for the honor
--Of your tribe and city?
[paq'raD, Canto 12]
SoHvaD quvwI=92 qem Hegh =91e=92 wIvDI=92 Hegh
pop Hevchugh quvwI=92
--The honorable will be rewarded
--After death chooses to bring them to you,
[paq'raD, Canto 16]
SoHvaD quv vI'agh
--I will show you honor!
[paq'raD, Canto 21]
tlheDDI' quvmoHmeH
veng HeHDaq lutlha'
SaD law' nuvpu'
--Thousands followed him
--To the edge of the city,
--To bid him farewell.
[paq'QIH, Canto 1]
qa'lI' quv yIpab
--Follow the honor in your spirit,
[paq'QIH, Canto 2]
quv tIghmey
--"the way(s) of honor"
[paq'QIH, Canto 2 and Epilogue]
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From: Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh [qeslagh@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 16:46
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: HoQ
ghItlhpu' qurgh, jatlh:
> Klingon word: HoQ
> Part of speech: verb
> Definition: be honored falsely, be falsely honorable
jang Voragh, jatlh:
> Related verbs:
> HoQmoH honor falsely
> quv be honored, be honorable
> Qaq behave falsely honorably/in a falsely honorable manner
> mIl be formerly honored
> Have any of these been used in the {paq'batlh}?
I haven't yet got the paq'batlh in a searchable format so I have to search =
by eye, but I couldn't find HoQ or Qaq, and I'll have to look again for quv=
. mIl appears only twice, both in a verse that shows a really nice usage:
yIntaHwI'pu' vImIlHa'moH jIH
Heghpu'wI'pu'
DamIlHa'moH SoH
"I will restore honor among the living,
You will restore honor
Among the dead."
(pp. 146-147; paq'raD 16.22-24)
QeS
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10pt;">Rohan is correct that {HoQ} and {Qaq} are absent from paq'batlh, and=
the uses of {mIl} are exactly those which he mentioned.<br>
<br>
The words {quv} (the verb and the noun) appear many times. Some of the more=
interesting examples, in my opinion:<br>
<br>
quvlIj vIchoq<br>
--Translated as "<span style=3D"font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; fon=
t-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-alig=
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honor will be saved,"<br>
[paq'yav, Canto 6]<br>
<br>
ghaH rI' 'ej quvmoH<br>
qanra' qamchIy qup'a'<br>
--"He is welcomed by Kahnrah<br>
--Patriarch of Qam-Chee<br>
[paq'raD, Canto 10]<br>
<br>
vaSvamDaq<br>
tuq veng je quvvaD<br>
Heghqangbogh SuvwI=92 tu=92be=92lu=92=92a=92<br>
--Is there nobody in this hall<br>
--Prepared to die for the honor<br>
--Of your tribe and city?<br>
[paq'raD, Canto 12]<br>
<br>
SoHvaD quvwI=92 qem Hegh =91e=92 wIvDI=92 Hegh<br>
pop Hevchugh quvwI=92<br>
--The honorable will be rewarded<br>
--After death chooses to bring them to you,<br>
[paq'raD, Canto 16]<br>
<br>
SoHvaD quv vI'agh<br>
--I will show you honor!<br>
[paq'raD, Canto 21]<br>
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heDDI' quvmoHmeH</p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 0cm; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal">ve=
ng HeHDaq lutlha'</p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 0cm; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal">Sa=
D law' nuvpu'</p>
--Thousands followed him
<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 0cm; font-style: normal">--To the edge of the ci=
ty,</p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 0cm; font-style: normal">--To bid him farewell.<=
/p>
[paq'QIH, Canto 1]<br>
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qa'lI' quv yIpab<br>
--Follow the honor in your spirit,<br>
[paq'QIH, Canto 2]<br>
<br>
quv tIghmey<br>
--"the way(s) of honor"<br>
[paq'QIH, Canto 2 and Epilogue]<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">ghItlhpu' qurgh, jatlh:<br>
> Klingon word: HoQ<br>
<div>> Part of speech: verb<br>
> Definition: be honored falsely, be falsely honorable<br>
<br>
jang Voragh, jatlh:<br>
> Related verbs:<br>
> HoQmoH honor falsely<br>
> quv be honored, be honorable<br>
> Qaq behave falsely honorably/in a falsely honorable manner<br>
> mIl be formerly honored<br>
> Have any of these been used in the {paq'batlh}?<br>
<br>
I haven't yet got the paq'batlh in a searchable format so I have to search =
by eye, but I couldn't find HoQ or Qaq, and I'll have to look again for quv=
. mIl appears only twice, both in a verse that shows a really nice usage:<b=
r>
<br>
yIntaHwI'pu' vImIlHa'moH jIH<br>
Heghpu'wI'pu'<br>
DamIlHa'moH SoH<br>
<br>
"I will restore honor among the living,<br>
You will restore honor<br>
Among the dead."<br>
<br>
(pp. 146-147; paq'raD 16.22-24)<br>
<br>
QeS<br>
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