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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] *'ap Wizard Dun: 'ay' wa': *ghoSuS*
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh)
Mon Sep 10 12:03:53 2012
From: Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 02:03:32 +1000
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One of the cool things about the Oz books is that the magic's not quite so =
pervasively active as in the Harry Potter series=3B it's just accepted as b=
eing=2C and manifests more in odd things than odd activities per se (the Ti=
n Woodman=2C talking lions=2C Tik-Tok=2C etc.). So I get the feeling it cou=
ld be relatively straightforward to do. Come to think of it=2C I've never a=
ctually read this book myself=2C I think. I've read others in the series=2C=
but never this one.
ghItlhpu' naHQun=2C jatlh:
> I may or may not get to Chapter 2.
yIruch!
> Kansas Dab Dorothy.
> 'IrneHDaj juH Dab.
> wIjwI' ghaH 'IrneH Henry'e'.[1]
I agree with Voragh - probably best to put it after the name.
> wIjwI' be'nal ghaH me'nal Em'e'.
Heh. Interesting that Em=2C of all people=2C has to be called {me'nal}.
=20
> Hopmo' Sor=3B juHchaj mach.
{mach juHchaj}=2C qar'a'?
> loS reD=2C wa' beb je ghaj juHHomchaj.
maj.
> neH wa' pa' tu'lu'.
wa' pa' neH.
> Soj tummeHwIj=2C
nuqjatlh? I can't parse that.
> ngaSwI' ngop=2C loS quS=2C QongDaqmey je ngaS pa'vam.
Do you mean ngop ngaSwI'?
> ravDaq 'oH lojmIt'e'.
I'd prefer 'oHtaH here. Actually=2C I'd prefer tu'lu'=2C abandoning the pro=
noun-as-verb completely=2C but YMMV.
> juH bIngDaq 'oH QemjIq[2].
QemjIq'e'. I like Voragh's suggestion of something involving wutlh "undergr=
ound".
=20
> DInDaq[3] QamtaHvIS=3B Hatlh bej Dorothy.
An interesting one=3B if the door's open=2C is one then standing in the DIn=
? I guess it works.
> qetlh puH.
'opHu' tagha' Midwest vISuchpu'. Indiana Illinois je vIlegh. beQchu'. vImer=
lu'=3B HuDHommey law' ghaj veng vIDabbogh. toH! vay' tlhaQ vIqaw je. "Kansa=
s beQ law' pancake chab beQ rap" net jatlh. 'ach qen vIt taQqu' 'angbogh Qu=
l'e' vIleghpu': pancake chab juvlu'=2C Kansas juvlu' je=2C 'ej Kansas beQ l=
aw' pancake chab beQ puS net toblu'!
http://www.improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume9/v9i3/kansas.html
> ghangwI' leghlaH.
> Sor leghbe'.
> qach leghbe'.
> puH meQ jul.
> SuDbe' por. qetlh.
> chIStaHbe' juH. qetlhchoH.
maj.
> ben=2C QuptaHvIS me'nal Em=3B 'IH.
I'm not a fan of ben alone this way. I'd go either 'opben or ben law'.
> qetlhchoH je.
> not mon me'nal Em.
Do'Ha'.
> not Hagh 'IrneH Henry.
Do'Ha' je. jum: ben law'=2C much vIleghpu'DI' puq jIHtaHvIS=2C Henry 'IrneH=
Quch law' Em me'nal Quch puS 'e' vInoH.
> Dorothy HaghmoH Toto.
> qetlhbe' Toto.
> qIjqu'!
> reH reH.
I like the pun=2C and it works on another level too: I can hear Toto's bark=
ing as being precisely represented by this sound.
(poD vay')
> <<ghoS *ghoSuS*![4]
I've used jIrbogh SuS or jIrwI' before and jIrbogh jevwI' might work too.
> Ha'DIbaH vISaH.>>
Again=2C not having read the original I can't say for sure=2C but would Qor=
gh not be better here?
(poD latlh)
> jatlh me'nal Em.
> <<nom! QemjIq 'el Dorothy!>>
Is this QemjIq 'el Dorothy=2C or QemjIq 'el=2C Dorothy? SoSnI' wISop./SoSnI=
'=2C wISop. Big difference :)
> QongDaq bIngDaq So' Toto.
Can So' be used intransitively like this?
(poD latlh=2C QaQmo')
Fun! Pretty straightforward=2C and now that I've gone to look at the origin=
al text I can see you've done some simplifying. But it works. yItaHmoH!
QeS
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One of the cool things about the Oz books is that the magic's not quite so =
pervasively active as in the Harry Potter series=3B it's just accepted as b=
eing=2C and manifests more in odd things than odd activities per se (the Ti=
n Woodman=2C talking lions=2C Tik-Tok=2C etc.). So I get the feeling it cou=
ld be relatively straightforward to do. Come to think of it=2C I've never a=
ctually read this book myself=2C I think. I've read others in the series=2C=
but never this one.<br><br><div><div id=3D"SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div>ghIt=
lhpu' naHQun=2C jatlh:<br>>=3B I may or may not get to Chapter 2.<br><br>=
yIruch!<br><br>>=3B Kansas Dab Dorothy.<br>>=3B 'IrneHDaj juH Dab.<br>&=
gt=3B wIjwI' ghaH 'IrneH Henry'e'.[1]<br><br>I agree with Voragh - probably=
best to put it after the name.<br><br>>=3B wIjwI' be'nal ghaH me'nal Em'=
e'.<br><br>Heh. Interesting that Em=2C of all people=2C has to be called {m=
e'nal}.<br> =3B<br>>=3B Hopmo' Sor=3B juHchaj mach.<br><br>{mach juHc=
haj}=2C qar'a'?<br><br>>=3B loS reD=2C wa' beb je ghaj juHHomchaj.<br><br=
>maj.<br><br>>=3B neH wa' pa' tu'lu'.<br><br>wa' pa' neH.<br><br>>=3B S=
oj tummeHwIj=2C<br><br>nuqjatlh? I can't parse that.<br><br>>=3B ngaSwI' =
ngop=2C loS quS=2C QongDaqmey je ngaS pa'vam.<br><br>Do you mean ngop ngaSw=
I'?<br><br>>=3B ravDaq 'oH lojmIt'e'.<br><br>I'd prefer 'oHtaH here. Actu=
ally=2C I'd prefer tu'lu'=2C abandoning the pronoun-as-verb completely=2C b=
ut YMMV.<br><br>>=3B juH bIngDaq 'oH QemjIq[2].<br><br>QemjIq'e'. I like =
Voragh's suggestion of something involving wutlh "underground".<br> =3B=
<br>>=3B DInDaq[3] QamtaHvIS=3B Hatlh bej Dorothy.<br><br>An interesting =
one=3B if the door's open=2C is one then standing in the DIn? I guess it wo=
rks.<br><br>>=3B qetlh puH.<br><br>'opHu' tagha' Midwest vISuchpu'. India=
na Illinois je vIlegh. beQchu'. vImerlu'=3B HuDHommey law' ghaj veng vIDabb=
ogh. toH! vay' tlhaQ vIqaw je. "Kansas beQ law' pancake chab beQ rap" net j=
atlh. 'ach qen vIt taQqu' 'angbogh Qul'e' vIleghpu': pancake chab juvlu'=2C=
Kansas juvlu' je=2C 'ej Kansas beQ law' pancake chab beQ puS net toblu'!<b=
r><br>http://www.improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume9/v9i3/kansas.html=
<br><br>>=3B ghangwI' leghlaH.<br>>=3B Sor leghbe'.<br>>=3B qach legh=
be'.<br>>=3B puH meQ jul.<br>>=3B SuDbe' por. qetlh.<br>>=3B chIStaHb=
e' juH. qetlhchoH.<br><br>maj.<br><br>>=3B ben=2C QuptaHvIS me'nal Em=3B =
'IH.<br><br>I'm not a fan of ben alone this way. I'd go either 'opben or be=
n law'.<br><br>>=3B qetlhchoH je.<br>>=3B not mon me'nal Em.<br><br>Do'=
Ha'.<br><br>>=3B not Hagh 'IrneH Henry.<br><br>Do'Ha' je. jum: ben law'=
=2C much vIleghpu'DI' puq jIHtaHvIS=2C Henry 'IrneH Quch law' Em me'nal Quc=
h puS 'e' vInoH.<br><br>>=3B Dorothy HaghmoH Toto.<br>>=3B qetlhbe' Tot=
o.<br>>=3B qIjqu'!<br>>=3B reH reH.<br><br>I like the pun=2C and it wor=
ks on another level too: I can hear Toto's barking as being precisely repre=
sented by this sound.<br><br>(poD vay')<br><br>>=3B <=3B<=3BghoS=
*ghoSuS*![4]<br><br>I've used jIrbogh SuS or jIrwI' before and jIrbogh jev=
wI' might work too.<br><br>>=3B Ha'DIbaH vISaH.>=3B>=3B<b=
r><br>Again=2C not having read the original I can't say for sure=2C but wou=
ld Qorgh not be better here?<br><br>(poD latlh)<br><br>>=3B jatlh me'nal =
Em.<br>>=3B <=3B<=3Bnom! QemjIq 'el Dorothy!>=3B>=3B<br><br>=
Is this QemjIq 'el Dorothy=2C or QemjIq 'el=2C Dorothy? SoSnI' wISop./SoSnI=
'=2C wISop. Big difference :)<br><br>>=3B QongDaq bIngDaq So' Toto.<br><b=
r>Can So' be used intransitively like this?<br><br>(poD latlh=2C QaQmo')<br=
><br>Fun! Pretty straightforward=2C and now that I've gone to look at the o=
riginal text I can see you've done some simplifying. But it works. yItaHmoH=
!<br><br>QeS<br></div> </div></body>
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