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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] -Ha' on adverbs
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (De'vID)
Wed Sep 5 05:20:33 2012
In-Reply-To: <BAY166-W536186DB6A8CBDAC1B6363AAA90@phx.gbl>
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 11:20:19 +0200
From: "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>
To: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
QeS 'utlh:
> As Qov said, Marc basically implied that -Ha' is *grammatically* legal on
> any adverb, but for some it's semantically nonsensical. It was 'angghal who
> pointed out during the conversation that ??chaqHa' would be weird, and
> ghunchu'wI' then thought of rut. So the sense we got is that while ??chaqHa'
> or ??rutHa' are grammatically legal, they just aren't usefully meaningful
> (like chIS'egh or HolDaq). ngugh, ghIq and DaH probably wouldn't work with
> -Ha' for the same reason.
Why wouldn't {DaHHa'} work? We have {SIbI'} "immediately" and
{SIbI'Ha'} "later, eventually" (meaning derived from Klingon
Monopoly[1]). I'd understand {DaHHa'} as an urgent version of
{SIbI'Ha'}, in the same way that {SIbI'} is an urgent version of
{DaH}.
{DaH qama' yIHoH} "Kill the prisoner now!"
{DaHHa'} "Not now!"
(i.e., We still want to kill the prisoner, but for strategic reasons
we should do it later; you wouldn't use {SIbI'Ha'} here because you're
interrupting someone's command, but after things have calmed down you
might assure the other person, {SIbI'Ha' wIHoH}.)
If {DaHHa'} doesn't work, how else would you say "not now"? I suppose
you could repeat the verb: {DaH yIHoHQo'}. But this doesn't put the
emphasis on the right thing (i.e., "Now, don't kill the prisoner" is
not quite the same as "don't kill the prisoner now").
I'd also understand {ngughHa'} as "at a different time" and {ghIqHa'}
as "not subsequently, after some time".
{Ha'DIbaH HoH tlhIngan, ghIq Ha'DIbaH Sop tlhIngan. Ha'DIbaH HoH
tera'ngan, 'ach ghIqHa' Ha'DIbaH Sop tera'ngan. Huj tera'nganpu'.}
(Also, don't forget it's Star Trek, so there's time travel and beings
that exist outside of time. {DaHHa' Picard vaqtaH Q} :-) )
[1] The example from Klingon Monopoly:
{chaw'vam yIpol 'ej SIbI'Ha' yIlo' pagh 'oH yImech.}
"This card may be kept until needed or traded."
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