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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] mIl'oD veDDIr SuvwI': 'ay' cha' - 11. yIvoq 'ach
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Mon Aug 20 09:58:42 2012
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From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:58:22 -0600
To: Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
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On 2012-08-20, at 5:32, Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com> wrot=
e:
> roStevan's mood was buoyed by the heartening presence of his daughter, and=
so he proceeds to tell her of the reason behind his upset.
Awww.=20
> 11. yIvoq 'ach yI'ol
Daj. nuq 'olnISlu' ...
> jatlhtaH 'utlh.
maj. luchevlu'pu'mo' 'ay'mey De'vetlh Daja'nISqa'.
> =ABDaHjaj Dunbogh SuvwI' Qup 'ej 'IHbogh vIqIHpu'.
Daj. not mangghom ra'wI'Daj qIHlaw'pu' roStevan', 'a voDleH mojmo' tIna'tIn,=
pIj SuchlaH 'e' Har 'avtanDIl.=20
> 'u', qo' Hoch HeH je wovmoHlaw' ghaH, 'ach SaQtaH.
toH. 'avtanDIl qelbe'. chotwI' qel. SaQtaHvIS neH loD, laH chovlaHbe' roStev=
an vaj nuq chov? 'IH'a' nov? chaq Rambo rur. ineghDaj HoHDI' laH chov. po' '=
ach Dun'a'? roStevan, do you have a thing for pretty, troubled warriors? Her=
e I thought he was upset because he had foolishly ordered his beloved and tr=
usted household servants to their deaths when really he's just mad he didn't=
get to make the acquantaince of their murderer.=20
> ghaH 'IQmoHpu'bogh wanI' vIngu'laHbe', ghaH SaQmoHpu'bogh nuv vIngu'laHbe'=
.
chaq tIna'tIn 'IH leghpu' 'ach not ghajlaHmo' SaQ. 'a wanI'vetlh SaHbe' tIna=
'tIn. chaq 'avtanDIl neHqu'.=20
> mujatlhQo' 'ej mughoSQo', vaj vInuQchoHlu' 'ej ghaHvaD jIghoHchoH.
boHchoH DaHech'a'?
> =ABmuleghDI' ghaH, SarghDajDaq toS 'ej SaQpu'mo' DoqchoHpu' mInDu'Daj 'e' S=
o'choH. jonnISlu' 'e' vIjach. ghIq toy'wI'pu'wI' Qaw'qu'chu',
Well at least he mentions the apparently trivial fact of their deaths.=20
> 'ej pay' ngab. veqlargh rur; nuvna' Dabe' 'ej muvanQo'.
Oh yeah, roStevan, that's really the worst part, he didn't salute you.=20
> loDna' ghaH pagh nIyma' ghaH DaH 'e' vISovbe'chu'. tagha' DunHa'choHpu' QI=
'tu' pungmey pov; Hu'meywIj bel'a' vIlIjchoHpu'. mu'IQmoH ngIq leS 'ej mubel=
be'choHmoH. nI'chugh ratlhtaHbogh yInwIj pagh ngajchugh 'oH, ram; not jIbelq=
a'.=BB
I wonder if he says that when his toast is cold, too.=20
> jang puqbe'Daj. jatlh: =ABmu'mey qajatlhbogh DaQoy 'e' yInID. 'o 'utlh,
<<loD yIDa jay'!>>
> qatlh San QI'tu' joq Dapum? DutIchlaw' QI'tu' Hoch chay' 'e' Dabep? SoH Du=
chenmoHta' je! qa' quv, qa' mIgh je chenmoH QI'tu', 'ach chenmoHpu'DI', qa'p=
u'vetlh SeHbe'. Hom Ha'DIbaH je
ghunchu'wI' is against that use of Ha'DIbaH but I'm fine with it. I think i=
t's living or very recently living flesh.=20
> loD ghaHchugh SuvwI'vetlh'e', qo' lengwI' ghaHchugh, luleghbejpu' latlh nu=
vpu', 'ej nIboQbej 'e' vIpIH. Hom Ha'DIbaH je loD ghaHbe'chugh, qa' mIgh gha=
Hba', bellIj SujmeH SoHvaD narghpu'bogh qa' mIgh'e'. vaj yI'IQHa''eghmoH; qa=
tlh bI'ItchoHpu'?
Snap out of ot already, okay?
> =ABqaqeSneS jIH: joH'a' SoHpu',[1] 'utlh quvqu' SoHtaH. jawHompu'[2] Dara'=
. Hopqu' wo'lIj HeH, pupqu' HoSlIj laH. DatDaq toy'wI'pu' tIngeH, chaHvaD lu=
tlIj yIja'moH. jub loDHey
> Daleghpu'bogh pagh jubbe' ghaH tugh 'e' DaSovchoHchu'. =BB
> vaj toy'wI'pu' law' ra' roStevan, 'ej qo' Hoch HeHDaq ngeH. chaHvaD jatlh:=
=ABpejaH, Hoch DuH yI'ol! loDvetlh Qup yInejlI' 'ej yIwamlI'; lIbotjaj pagh=
. yoSmeyDaq bojaHlaHbe'bogh, vengmeyDaq bo'ellaHbe'bogh je QInmey tIlI'.=BB
That would be clearer were it yoSmeyDaq bojaHlaHbe'chugh ... I'm not quite g=
etting rhe connection between bo'ellaHbr'bogh and QIn.=20
> mej toy'wI'pu' law', jaH, Hoch DuH lu'ol. qaStaHvIS wa' DIS lengtaH.[3]
> Qupbogh loDvetlh Huj lunejlI' 'ej luwamlI', nuvpu' ghel, nuvpu' ghelqa', n=
uvpu' ghelqa'qu'. qo' HochDaq loD Qup leghpu'bogh vay' lutu'laHbe'qu'chu'. l=
ujpu'DI' chaH, Doy'taHvIS 'ej yonHa'taHvIS roStevanDaq chegh.
vaj qa' ghaHlaw'. yIleS, roStevan.=20
> --------
> [1] Still feels a little weird putting -pu' on a pronoun-as-verb.
munuQbe'.=20
> [2] Though in the original Tinatin is the monarch of Arabia (the Georgian w=
ord is /mepe/ "king"), voDleH/ta' seems a little too much, since the story i=
nvolves several rulers of various Sepmey. So tIna'tIn is the joH'a', and the=
petty lords she rules over, I'm calling jawpu' (I know joH and jaw are syno=
nyms, but making them distinct makes the terminology a little less confusing=
).
I'm totally happy with her as voDleH. There's no higher authority, right?
> [3] Reminds me of "The Princess Bride", in which three years of events are=
handwaved with a single sentence: "What with one thing and another, three y=
ears passed."
My dissatisfaction with my options for saying things like, "a week after tha=
t" is part of the reason for the density of events on the nuq bop bom timeli=
ne.=20
> --------
> SKI: roStevan explains the post-hunt events; tIna'tIn rebukes him for his s=
elf-flagellation and reminds him that he has an entire realm of people who c=
ould help him find the elusive warrior in the sabre bear pelt.
val be'vetlh.=20
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<div dir=3D"ltr">roStevan's mood was buoyed by the heartening presence of hi=
s daughter, and so he proceeds to tell her of the reason behind his upset.<b=
r></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Awww. <div><br><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">11. yIvoq 'ach yI'o=
l<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Daj. nuq 'olnISlu' ...</d=
iv><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>jatlhtaH 'utlh. </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>maj. luchevlu=
'pu'mo' 'ay'mey De'vetlh Daja'nISqa'.<div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=ABDaHjaj Dunbogh SuvwI' Qup 'ej 'IHbo=
gh vIqIHpu'.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Daj. not mangghom r=
a'wI'Daj qIHlaw'pu' roStevan', 'a voDleH mojmo' tIna'tIn, pIj SuchlaH 'e' Ha=
r 'avtanDIl. </div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"> 'u', qo' Hoch HeH je wovmoHlaw' ghaH, 'ach SaQtaH. </=
div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>toH. 'avtanDIl qelbe'. chotwI' q=
el. SaQtaHvIS neH loD, laH chovlaHbe' roStevan vaj nuq chov? 'IH'a' nov? cha=
q Rambo rur. ineghDaj HoHDI' laH chov. po' 'ach Dun'a'? roStevan, do you hav=
e a thing for pretty, troubled warriors? Here I thought he was upset because=
he had foolishly ordered his beloved and trusted household servants to thei=
r deaths when really he's just mad he didn't get to make the acquantaince of=
their murderer. </div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">ghaH 'IQmoHpu'bogh wanI' vIngu'laHbe', ghaH SaQmoH=
pu'bogh nuv vIngu'laHbe'. </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>chaq=
tIna'tIn 'IH leghpu' 'ach not ghajlaHmo' SaQ. 'a wanI'vetlh SaHbe' tIna'tIn=
. chaq 'avtanDIl neHqu'. </div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">mujatlhQo' 'ej mughoSQo', vaj vInuQchoHlu'=
'ej ghaHvaD jIghoHchoH.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>bo=
HchoH DaHech'a'?</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=ABmuleghDI' ghaH, SarghDajDaq toS 'ej SaQpu'mo' Doqc=
hoHpu' mInDu'Daj 'e' So'choH. jonnISlu' 'e' vIjach. ghIq toy'wI'pu'wI' Qaw'q=
u'chu', </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Well at least he menti=
ons the apparently trivial fact of their deaths. </div><div><br><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">'ej pay' ngab. veq=
largh rur; nuvna' Dabe' 'ej muvanQo'. </div></div></div></blockquote><div><b=
r></div>Oh yeah, roStevan, that's really the worst part, he didn't salute yo=
u. </div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">loDna' ghaH pagh nIyma' ghaH DaH 'e' vISovbe'chu'. tagha' DunHa'c=
hoHpu' QI'tu' pungmey pov; Hu'meywIj bel'a' vIlIjchoHpu'. mu'IQmoH ngIq leS '=
ej mubelbe'choHmoH. nI'chugh ratlhtaHbogh yInwIj pagh ngajchugh 'oH, ram; no=
t jIbelqa'.=C2=BB<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I wonder i=
f he says that when his toast is cold, too. </div><div><br><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">jang puqbe'Daj. jatlh: =C2=
=ABmu'mey qajatlhbogh DaQoy 'e' yInID. 'o 'utlh, </div></div></div></blockqu=
ote><div><br></div><<loD yIDa jay'!>></div><div><br><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">qatlh San QI'tu' joq Dap=
um? DutIchlaw' QI'tu' Hoch chay' 'e' Dabep? SoH DuchenmoHta' je! qa' quv, qa=
' mIgh je chenmoH QI'tu', 'ach chenmoHpu'DI', qa'pu'vetlh SeHbe'. Hom Ha'DIb=
aH je </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>ghunchu'wI' is against t=
hat use of Ha'DIbaH but I'm fine with it. I think it's living or very r=
ecently living flesh. </div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">loD ghaHchugh SuvwI'vetlh'e', qo' lengwI' gha=
Hchugh, luleghbejpu' latlh nuvpu', 'ej nIboQbej 'e' vIpIH. Hom Ha'DIbaH je l=
oD ghaHbe'chugh, qa' mIgh ghaHba', bellIj SujmeH SoHvaD narghpu'bogh qa' mIg=
h'e'. vaj yI'IQHa''eghmoH; qatlh bI'ItchoHpu'?<br></div></div></div></blockq=
uote><div><br></div>Snap out of ot already, okay?</div><div><br><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=ABqaqeSneS jIH: joH'=
a' SoHpu',[1] 'utlh quvqu' SoHtaH. jawHompu'[2] Dara'. Hopqu' wo'lIj HeH, pu=
pqu' HoSlIj laH. DatDaq toy'wI'pu' tIngeH, chaHvaD lutlIj yIja'moH. jub loDH=
ey</div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Daleghpu'bogh pagh jubbe' ghaH tugh 'e' DaS=
ovchoHchu'. =C2=BB<br>vaj toy'wI'pu' law' ra' roStevan, 'ej qo' Hoch HeHDaq n=
geH. chaHvaD jatlh: =C2=ABpejaH, Hoch DuH yI'ol! loDvetlh Qup yInejlI' 'ej y=
IwamlI'; lIbotjaj pagh. yoSmeyDaq bojaHlaHbe'bogh, vengmeyDaq bo'ellaHbe'bog=
h je QInmey tIlI'.=C2=BB<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Th=
at would be clearer were it yoSmeyDaq bojaHlaHbe'chugh ... I'm not quite get=
ting rhe connection between bo'ellaHbr'bogh and QIn. </div><div><br><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">mej toy'wI'pu'=
law', jaH, Hoch DuH lu'ol. qaStaHvIS wa' DIS lengtaH.[3]</div></div></div><=
/blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>Qupbogh loDvetlh Huj lunejlI' 'ej luwamlI', nuvpu' ghel, nuvpu' ghelqa', nu=
vpu' ghelqa'qu'. qo' HochDaq loD Qup leghpu'bogh vay' lutu'laHbe'qu'chu'. lu=
jpu'DI' chaH, Doy'taHvIS 'ej yonHa'taHvIS roStevanDaq chegh.<br></div></div>=
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>vaj qa' ghaHlaw'. yIleS, roStevan.&nb=
sp;</div><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div=
dir=3D"ltr">--------<br>[1] Still feels a little weird putting -pu' on a pr=
onoun-as-verb.<br></div></div></div></blockquote>munuQbe'. <br><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">[2] Though in the o=
riginal Tinatin is the monarch of Arabia (the Georgian word is /mepe/ "king"=
), voDleH/ta' seems a little too much, since the story involves several rule=
rs of various Sepmey. So tIna'tIn is the joH'a', and the petty lords she rul=
es over, I'm calling jawpu' (I know joH and jaw are synonyms, but making the=
m distinct makes the terminology a little less confusing).<br></div></div></=
div></blockquote><br>I'm totally happy with her as voDleH. There's no higher=
authority, right?</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">[3] Reminds me of "The Princess Bride", in which three=
years of events are handwaved with a single sentence: "What with one thing a=
nd another, three years passed."</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></di=
v><div>My dissatisfaction with my options for saying things like, "a week af=
ter that" is part of the reason for the density of events on the nuq bop bom=
timeline. </div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">--------<br>SKI: roStevan explains the post-hunt events; tIna=
'tIn rebukes him for his self-flagellation and reminds him that he has an en=
tire realm of people who could help him find the elusive warrior in the sabr=
e bear pelt.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>val be'vetlh. =
;<br></div></div></body></html>=
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