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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: Dol
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh)
Fri Aug 10 06:56:15 2012
From: Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 20:55:58 +1000
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jatlhpu' Qov:
> I wish Marc would talk more about the process of creating that first word
> list for TKD.
jang Quvar=2C jatlh:
> Well=2C he told me - and probably to others - that he had the scripts of =
all
> episodes and movies so far that used Klingons. He did not watch the episo=
des
> to create TKD=2C by the way.
jang je Qov=2C jatlh:
> That's talking some. I'm asking for more. Did he compile the list of word=
s
> he wanted and then make up dozens of words that fit his morphology and
> assign them willy-nilly=2C unless he had a pun in mind? Is there some
> association for him in every single word? I'm curious.
=20
jatlh De'vID:
> There were a few word pairs in the original word list which were the
> reverse of something related: {pogh}-{ghop}=2C {lom}-{mol}. But since
> the morphology of Klingon is so restricted=2C there were probably a few
> such apparent pairs which are only related by coincidence.
I'm not so sure. I've been keeping a list of apparently related pairs for s=
ome years=2C and the list has long since got too big for me to think it's j=
ust coincidence. In fact=2C I'm wondering if Marc didn't have a much more c=
omplex grand plan for the original lexicon than we'd thought. There are a l=
ot of semantically similar pairs that share either initial CV-=2C final -VC=
=2C or C-C frameworks=3B here are some of the best examples from my spreads=
heet.
CV- initials:
bach/baH=3B chen/cher=3B chuH/chuq=3B Daj/Dal (and potentially Da)=3B ghoj/=
ghov=3B jatlh/jach/jaw/jat/jang/ja'=3B -moH/-mo'=3B muj/mul/muS/mut=3B ngag=
h/nga'(chuq)=3B ngeH/ngev/nge'=3B po/poH/pov=3B poch/por=3B pom/poQ=3B qem/=
qeng=3B qun/qup=3B Qap/QaQ/Qat=3B QID/QIH=3B Qoch/Qo'=3B Qoj/Qor=3B Qong/Qo=
p/Qot=3B Sab/Sang=3B Sach/Sal=3B Soj/Sop=3B 'agh/'ang=3B 'a/'ach
(The paq'batlh shows that no' Hol was more tolerant of V-final syllables=2C=
so I wonder if many of these might be historical compounds of the form CV-=
CV.)
-VC finals:
batlh/matlh=3B rav/yav=3B pem/vem=3B leng/qeng=3B mev/yev=3B nIv/QIv=3B jon=
/von=3B ghov/Sov=3B Doy'/Soy'=3B joy'/'oy'=3B no'/ngo'=3B luj/muj/puj=3B nI=
v/QIv=3B=20
C-C frames (these ones aren't so certain):
che'/cho'=3B leH/loH=3B raQ/ruQ=3B qan/qun
If the CV-CV compounding idea is true=2C then maybe also Hegh/HoH and pem/p=
o.
QeS
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jatlhpu' Qov:<br><div>>=3B I wish Marc would talk more about the process =
of creating that first word<br>>=3B list for TKD.<br><br>jang Quvar=2C ja=
tlh:<br>>=3B Well=2C he told me - and probably to others - that he had th=
e scripts of all<br>>=3B episodes and movies so far that used Klingons. H=
e did not watch the episodes<br>>=3B to create TKD=2C by the way.<br><br>=
jang je Qov=2C jatlh:<br>>=3B That's talking some. I'm asking for more. D=
id he compile the list of words<br>>=3B he wanted and then make up dozens=
of words that fit his morphology and<br>>=3B assign them willy-nilly=2C =
unless he had a pun in mind? Is there some<br>>=3B association for him i=
n every single word? I'm curious.<br> =3B<br>jatlh De'vID:<br>>=3B Th=
ere were a few word pairs in the original word list which were the<br>>=
=3B reverse of something related: {pogh}-{ghop}=2C {lom}-{mol}. But since<=
br>>=3B the morphology of Klingon is so restricted=2C there were probably=
a few<br>>=3B such apparent pairs which are only related by coincidence.=
<br><br>I'm not so sure. I've been keeping a list of apparently related pai=
rs for some years=2C and the list has long since got too big for me to thin=
k it's just coincidence. In fact=2C I'm wondering if Marc didn't have a muc=
h more complex grand plan for the original lexicon than we'd thought. There=
are a lot of semantically similar pairs that share either initial CV-=2C f=
inal -VC=2C or C-C frameworks=3B here are some of the best examples from my=
spreadsheet.<br><br>CV- initials:<br>bach/baH=3B chen/cher=3B chuH/chuq=3B=
Daj/Dal (and potentially Da)=3B ghoj/ghov=3B jatlh/jach/jaw/jat/jang/ja'=
=3B -moH/-mo'=3B muj/mul/muS/mut=3B ngagh/nga'(chuq)=3B ngeH/ngev/nge'=3B p=
o/poH/pov=3B poch/por=3B pom/poQ=3B qem/qeng=3B qun/qup=3B Qap/QaQ/Qat=3B Q=
ID/QIH=3B Qoch/Qo'=3B Qoj/Qor=3B Qong/Qop/Qot=3B Sab/Sang=3B Sach/Sal=3B So=
j/Sop=3B 'agh/'ang=3B 'a/'ach<br><br>(The paq'batlh shows that no' Hol was =
more tolerant of V-final syllables=2C so I wonder if many of these might be=
historical compounds of the form CV-CV.)<br><br>-VC finals:<br>batlh/matlh=
=3B rav/yav=3B pem/vem=3B leng/qeng=3B mev/yev=3B nIv/QIv=3B jon/von=3B gho=
v/Sov=3B Doy'/Soy'=3B joy'/'oy'=3B no'/ngo'=3B luj/muj/puj=3B nIv/QIv=3B <b=
r><br>C-C frames (these ones aren't so certain):<br>che'/cho'=3B leH/loH=3B=
raQ/ruQ=3B qan/qun<br>If the CV-CV compounding idea is true=2C then maybe =
also Hegh/HoH and pem/po.<br><br>QeS<br></div> </div></body>
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