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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: Dol
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh)
Thu Aug 9 20:43:52 2012
From: Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:43:32 +1000
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ghItlhpu' Qov=2C jatlh:
> An entity is a thing or a being=2C and while there are contexts in which
> the entirety of something is an entity=2C they are quite different words.
jang loghaD=2C jatlh:
> I'd like to point out that Marc=2C as far as I know=2C hasn't quite said =
that
> {Dol} means "whole"=3B he's simply used that word to translate {Dol} in
> that particular instance. One could also read it as "We succeed together
> as a greater entity."=2C but it doesn't sound quite as good (at least to =
my
> ears).
Weirdly=2C an extremely literal translation communicates the meaning better=
for me:
wa' Dol nIvDaq matay'DI' maQap.
When we are together in one superior entity=2C we succeed.
I really don't see any reason to suspect Marc mis-applied "entity" here. Th=
e Merriam-Webster dictionary also gives as definition number 3 for "entity"=
: "an organization (as a business or governmental unit) that has an identit=
y separate from those of its members". That's *exactly* what is being commu=
nicated here. When people are together=2C and form an organised group=2C th=
e group as a whole - the entity=2C the Gestalt=2C the Dol - succeeds where =
the members of that group may not do so individually.
QeS 'utlh
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ghItlhpu' Qov=2C jatlh:<br>>=3B An entity is a thing or a being=2C and wh=
ile there are contexts in which<br><div>>=3B the entirety of something is=
an entity=2C they are quite different words.<br><br>jang loghaD=2C jatlh:<=
br>>=3B I'd like to point out that Marc=2C as far as I know=2C hasn't qui=
te said that<br>>=3B {Dol} means "whole"=3B he's simply used that word to=
translate {Dol} in<br>>=3B that particular instance. One could also read=
it as "We succeed together<br>>=3B as a greater entity."=2C but it doesn=
't sound quite as good (at least to my<br>>=3B ears).<br><br>Weirdly=2C a=
n extremely literal translation communicates the meaning better for me:<br>=
<br>wa' Dol nIvDaq matay'DI' maQap.<br>When we are together in one superior=
entity=2C we succeed.<br><br>I really don't see any reason to suspect Marc=
mis-applied "entity" here. The Merriam-Webster dictionary also gives as de=
finition number 3 for "entity": "<span class=3D"ssens">an organization (as =
a business or governmental unit) that has an identity separate from those o=
f its members". That's *exactly* what is being communicated here. When peop=
le are together=2C and form an organised group=2C the group as a whole - th=
e entity=2C the Gestalt=2C the Dol - succeeds where the members of that gro=
up may not do so individually.<br><br>QeS 'utlh<br></span></div> =
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