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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Ha'DIbaH pong chu': la'SIv
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Sun Aug 5 05:49:58 2012
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>, tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:49:31 +0000
In-Reply-To: <CA+7zAmMB6KUVtj+ao6u30GSYvfcfV30Z44k7tuFnrFOxG+8hOw@mail.gmail.com>
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Yeah, I know, I was being a bit naughty with that translation, but I figure=
d as long as I was replacing the actual animal with one from a different pl=
anet (and a hare with a targ), I might take that extra liberty ;)
> Wikipedia tells me, however, that perhaps American English uses
> "turtle" as a catch-all for sea-turtles, tortoises, and terrapins, so
> perhaps {la'SIv} is equally broad as well:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle#Turtle.2C_tortoise.2C_or_terrapin
Swedish is similarly broad: We call them all "sk=F6ldpaddor" (literally "sh=
ield toads"; compare with German "Schildkr=F6te"). Tortoises are "landsk=F6=
ldpaddor", sea turtles are "havssk=F6ldpaddor", teenage mutant ninja turtle=
s are "ton=E5rsmutantninjask=F6ldpaddor", and so forth.
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From: De'vID [de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 11:35
To: tlhIngan-Hol
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Ha'DIbaH pong chu': la'SIv
loghaD:
> I was conversing with Marc Okrand, recently, and he was kind enough to
> reveal the name of one of my favorite animals:
>
> {la'SIv}
> (or {tera' la'SIv}, when speaking of the Earth variety)
>
> You'll find the translation of this word below, but first an old story:
maj. 'ach {tera' la'SIv} bopbe' lutvam wa'DIch. {tera' puH la'SIv} boplaw=
'.
I don't know how "turtle-like" a {la'SIv} is, but in my dialect
(Canadian) of English, a turtle lives in the water. The land-dwelling
creature featured in the story you related is a "tortoise".
Wikipedia tells me, however, that perhaps American English uses
"turtle" as a catch-all for sea-turtles, tortoises, and terrapins, so
perhaps {la'SIv} is equally broad as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle#Turtle.2C_tortoise.2C_or_terrapin
(To add to the confusion further, the other character in the story is
a "hare", not a "rabbit".)
> ghItlhta' Hol qonwI''a',
>> Maltz told me about a Klingon animal that's kind of turtle-like called a
>> la'SIv. So maybe "turtle" is tera' la'SIv.
I would suggest he ask Maltz what the {la'SIv}'s primary habitat is,
on {Qo'noS}, the next time he visits him.
--
De'vID
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