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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] mIl'oD veDDIr SuvwI': 'ay' 4 - reH DuSIgh vavlI'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Qov)
Fri Aug 3 22:27:45 2012
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 08:17:18 -0600
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
From: Qov <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
In-Reply-To: <BAY166-W38D6A2BD6D304A0AE3FB2CAACA0@phx.gbl>
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At 04:45 '?????' 8/3/2012, Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh wrote:
>In the previous 'ay', the new queen tIna'tIn was =
>unsure of whether she could live up to the =
>lordship's responsibilities, and her father offered some advice.
[stuff in square brackets is now from my reading =
with the English translation again]
>Warnings: None, although those of Ferengi =
>extraction may find this 'ay' deeply disturbing.
jISIvqu'!. qogh ghong'a' vay'? Sutmey law' tuQmoH'a' be'?
>tIna'tIn'e', QorghwI'Daj quvqu' voqchu'bogh rIt[1],
I know what you're doing here, but have we seen =
it used to invert a sentence? I only remember it =
used to bring an object through the adverb.
> 'ej ghaHvaD jatlh: =ABmIpwIj Hoch DaQanpu'bogh =
> 'ej DangaQmoHtaHbogh HIqeng; joH puqbe' =
> jIHtaHvIS mIp Hoch vIvI'pu'bogh HIqeng.=BB =
> ghaHvaD qengchu' QorghwI'Daj. ghIq nuvpu' =
> mIpvaD nuvpu' mIpHa'vaD je Hoch mIp vI'pu'bogh =
> nobchoH tIna'tIn, 'ej nuvpu'vetlh mIpmoH. =
> SaHbe'law'taHvIS nobtaH, toghbe'bejtaHvIS =
> nobtaH, Doy'be'choHtaHvIS nobtaH. ghIq jatlh: =
> =ABQu''e' mughojmoHta'bogh vavwI' vIchav 'e' vIHech, 'ej pagh pollu' vIne=
Hbej.=BB
loQ jIH muSuj. chay' wo' loH, jo HutlhtaHvIS? =
chay' qeSwI'pu' DIltaH 'ej toy'wI''a'pu' je'taH?
[DaH DIvI' Hol vIlaDta': mIp'e' vI'ta'bogh ghaH nob. wo' mIp nobbe'law'.
>ghIq Ha'DIbaH QorghwI'Daj rIt tIna'tIn. ra', =
>=ABSarghmeywIj tangqa'meywIj je tItlhabmoH 'ej =
>naDev tIDev,=BB jatlh. lob QorghwI'Daj, 'ej =
>tIna'tIn'e' toghbe'taHvIS nobtaH, =
>Doy'be'choHtaHvIS nobtaH. DochmeyDaj wagh, =
>'aHDaj wagh je yIr negh; HuchvaD HuDmey chenmoH, =
>mIpvaD mIvmey buy'moH. tlhoS SuyDuj luweHbogh =
>nIHwI'pu''e' rur. tIna'tIn ngem Sarghmey pup =
>nge'. mIp peDqu'taHbogh 'eng rur tIna'tIn nobtaHghach[2];
I like your choice of peD. Why the hell do we use =
"rained" in that context in English? Perhaps the =
expression has carried through languages from before our ancestors knew sno=
w.
[Ah, you don't get credit for peD.]
>nIvwI'pu' QIvwI'pu' je mIpmoH ghaH, 'ej mej pagh chImtaHvIS ghopDu'chaj.
>jaj veb, 'uQ'a' jablu'; tlhutlhmeH Soj, SopmeH Soj je luvutlu'.
maj. I like that parallelism.
>Quch'eghmoHmeH
[Is "make merry" that literal? I think it means =
more tIv or lop or chechchoH. When you translate =
it Quch'eghmoH it makes me think they needed cheering up.]
>ghomchuqpu' negh law', 'ej QuchtaH. 'ach yav bej =
>tIna'tIn joH vav; 'IQqu'law' qabDaj. tagha' =
>jatlhchuq negh: =ABqatlh 'IQqu'? nuq 'oH 'ItmeH meqDaj'e'?=BB
I would have chosen 'ItmoHbogh, trying to avoid =
the "is it really for the purpose of?" concern. Or just 'ItmoHlaw' nuq.
>raS megh'anDaq ba'taH 'avtanDIl'e', mangghom ra'wI';
mangghom ra'wI' ghaH 'e' vItu'be'. ra'wI' ghaH =
'e' vISov 'ach mangghom naQ ra'. maj. tu'jaj tIna'tIn.
>jul rur qabDaj, qettaHvIS Hun rur, SuvtaHvIS mughato' rur.[3]
bIng Dach mI'vam. HIDaqu'Qo'!. Hun vIqawbe'. =
vIlIjpu''a' pagh 'atI'la QaS Daqel'a'?
>ghaH retlhDaq ba'taH je qeSwI''a' qan, Soghrat. =
>jatlhchuq chaH, 'avtanDIl Soghrat je: =ABroStevan =
>'utlh DachmoH nuq, 'ej qatlh chISchoH qabDaj?=BB
DaH SawnIS puqbe'Daj 'e' qelchoHchugh vIHoH.
>tagha' wuq chaH, jatlhchuq: =AB'utlh yab =
>yotlaw'pu' qech mIgh; naDev qaSbe'ba'pu'qu'
Is that really where you want the -qu'?
>SujlaHbogh vay'.=BB ghIq jatlh 'avtanDIl: =ABwItlhobjaj, 'o Soghrat,
Does Georgian have a vocative case?
>ghaH tuHmoHta'bogh ta'maj'e'
Good use of the possessive, to avoid ta' =
confusion. 'a qatlh ta' tuHmoH ta'chaj'e' 'e' luHar?
[Does the English not mean {qatlh =
nutuHmoHta'?}? Not that that makes any more sense.]
>nuja'meH wItlhobjaj.=BB vaj QamchoH Soghrat 'avtanDIl je;
yoH.
>HIvje'meychaj tebmoH
yoH'eghmoHmeH?
>'ej roStevan 'utlh tlhopDaq torchoH, nguqHa'taHvIS chaH.
I don't know why but I love the ceremony of respect here.
>mon Hoch cha', jatlhchu'taHvIS qeSwI''a'.
'a nuq jatlh? qojmey Dajunbe' SoH.
- Qov =
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