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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] mIl'oD veDDIr SuvwI': 'ay' 3 - nIteb SuvnIS
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh)
Fri Aug 3 00:15:05 2012
From: Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:14:45 +1000
In-Reply-To: <3886A5F5-A6F1-4D3C-AD9F-A849AFDCB322@flyingstart.ca>
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ghItlhpu' Qov=2C jatlh:
> jISaqpu' 'ej QuQmey vIchu'Ha'pu' 'ach wej quS qogh vIchu'Ha'pu'. vIlaDnIS=
qu'!
mumer! lut DatIvqu'ba'mo' jIbelqu'. latlh 'ay' vIlI'nISba'.
jIjatlhpu' jIH:
> qaSpa' wanI'vetlh=2C jot tIna'tIn joH 'ej qIm. 'ach luvan vavDaj ghom'a' =
je 'e' leghDI'=2C
> luvuvmeH ghebmey lurIlchoHlu' 'e' QoyDI'=2C luquvmoHmeH naD bommey lujach=
choHlu'
> 'e' QoyDI'=2C chu'bogh patlh 'ej quvbogh qotlhbe'bej pay' 'e' QubchoH gha=
H. =ABchay'
> vavwI' ngup'a' vIgheSlaH jIH?=BB jatlh'egh.
jang Qov=2C jatlh:
> vIvup. Qatlhbej Qu'vetlh. SaQbe'pu' Do'.
teHbej. ghaHvaD Qu''a''e' gheSmoHlu'ta' 'ej loQ ghIj.
jIH:
> qIjbogh mInDu'Daj[1] 'ej notqa' tel[] rurbogh SoQmoH 'ej SaQchoH.
chup Voragh=2C jatlh:
> Do Klingons have eyelashes? We know they have {Huy'} "eyebrow(s)" - pres=
umably the same color as tIn'atIn's lashes - which are significant to Kling=
ons. {Huy'} shows up in a common simile:
qatlho'! The oblique reference to the "clever as an eyebrow" simile adds a =
nice sub-sense to it. vIchoH ('ej 'ay' cha'DIch=2C "eyelashes" bopbogh 'ay'=
'e'=2C vIchoH je):
qIjbogh 'ej notqa' tel rurbogh Huy'Du' bIngDaq mInDu'Daj SoQmoH 'ej SaQchoH=
.
(Qov - choja'DI'=2C SIbI' tera' notqa' mIlloghmey vIHaDchoH. bo'Deghvetlhva=
D=2C loQ tel bo tIq law' tlhuQ bo tIq puS tagha' 'e' vItu'. 'ach choQubmoHm=
o' qatlho' je.)
Qov:
> puj ta' 'e' 'oSlaH pagh Qu' SaHqu' ta' 'e' 'oSlaH. nuq Har roghvaH?
ghaytan puS luleghlaHchu'bogh nuvpu' 'ej mInDu'Daj leghchu'meH ghaHDaq Sumb=
ogh. roghvaH vuD qelbe' bom 'ach joHDaj vuvchu'mo' roghvaH=2C pIch ghajbe' =
tIna'tIn 'e' luHar 'e' vIHar jIH.
jIH:
> jotHa'choH puqbe'Daj 'e' tu' roStevan 'utlh=2C vaj puqbe'Daj qeSmeH chol.=
=ABHoch vav
> cho' puqDaj=2C 'ej jIH chocho'pa' SoH=2C jotlaHbe' tIqwIj'e'=2C=BB=20
Qov:
> cho' 'e' loH neH. Heghpu'mo' pagh Sabqu'pu'mo' cho' neHbe'.
HIja'. 'ej be' ghaH tIna'tIn'e' 'e' yIqaw. nughmey tIQvaD=2C pIj ghu' motlh=
Daq joH cho'laH puqloD neH=2C 'ej roStevan cho'wI' wIvlaHchu' neHba' je. I =
see this as a nice parallel not only to Queen Tamar=2C but to Gorkon and Az=
etbur in ST6. Though Gorkon died rather than became an 'utlh=2C he'd made i=
t clear that his intent was for Azetbur to succeed him=2C and I have no dou=
bt that had Gorkon lived he would have done just as roStevan has.
jIH:
> jatlh. =ABvaj yISaQQo'=2C puqbe'wI'=2C 'ach qeSwIj yIbuS. DaHjaj qolvat j=
oH SoH=3B qaSughta' jIH=2C
> 'ej pIlajta' Hoch maH. DaH Sep qumvaD SoH Davoqlu'. tlhoy yImunQo'=2C yIn=
guqHa''eghmoH=2C
> batlh yInoH. reH potlhwI'vaD ramwI'vaD je pung yIcha'=3B chalqach pIgh je=
wovmoHlaH jul.
Qov:
> jotHa'moHbe' qeSvam. ngoy' 'e' Sovmo' SaQtaH!
jotHa'moHbe' 'ach chaq 'oHmo' ghojlaH.
jIH:
> ta' quvmo'[]=2C tlhabHa'qangchoH nuv tlhab=2C 'ej lobqangchoH nuv tlhabHa=
' 'e' chaw'.
{'e' chaw'} vIteqpu'. nungbogh chovnatlhmo' chuvpu'.
Qov:
>valbej voDleH 'utlh.
teH. Very classist advice=2C very cynical=2C but also very pragmatic.
QeS
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ghItlhpu' Qov=2C jatlh:<br>>=3B jISaqpu' 'ej QuQmey vIchu'Ha'pu' 'ach wej=
quS qogh vIchu'Ha'pu'. vIlaDnISqu'!<br><br>mumer! lut DatIvqu'ba'mo' jIbel=
qu'. latlh 'ay' vIlI'nISba'.<br><br>jIjatlhpu' jIH:<br>>=3B qaSpa' wanI'v=
etlh=2C jot tIna'tIn joH 'ej qIm. 'ach luvan vavDaj ghom'a' je 'e' leghDI'=
=2C<br>>=3B luvuvmeH ghebmey lurIlchoHlu' 'e' QoyDI'=2C luquvmoHmeH naD b=
ommey lujachchoHlu'<br>>=3B 'e' QoyDI'=2C chu'bogh patlh 'ej quvbogh qotl=
hbe'bej pay' 'e' QubchoH ghaH. =ABchay'<br>>=3B vavwI' ngup'a' vIgheSlaH =
jIH?=BB jatlh'egh.<br><br>jang Qov=2C jatlh:<br>>=3B vIvup. Qatlhbej Qu'v=
etlh. SaQbe'pu' Do'.<br><br>teHbej. ghaHvaD Qu''a''e' gheSmoHlu'ta' 'ej loQ=
ghIj.<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B qIjbogh mInDu'Daj[1] 'ej notqa' tel[] rurbogh =
SoQmoH 'ej SaQchoH.<br><br>chup Voragh=2C jatlh:<br>>=3B Do Klingons have=
eyelashes? =3B We know they have {Huy'} "eyebrow(s)" - presumably the =
same color as tIn'atIn's lashes - which are significant to Klingons. =
=3B {Huy'} shows up in a common simile:<br><br>qatlho'! The oblique referen=
ce to the "clever as an eyebrow" simile adds a nice sub-sense to it. vIchoH=
('ej 'ay' cha'DIch=2C "eyelashes" bopbogh 'ay''e'=2C vIchoH je):<br><br>qI=
jbogh 'ej notqa' tel rurbogh Huy'Du' bIngDaq mInDu'Daj SoQmoH 'ej SaQchoH.<=
br><br>(Qov - choja'DI'=2C SIbI' tera' notqa' mIlloghmey vIHaDchoH. bo'Degh=
vetlhvaD=2C loQ tel bo tIq law' tlhuQ bo tIq puS tagha' 'e' vItu'. 'ach cho=
QubmoHmo' qatlho' je.)<br><br>Qov:<br>>=3B puj ta' 'e' 'oSlaH pagh Qu' Sa=
Hqu' ta' 'e' 'oSlaH. nuq Har roghvaH?<br><br>ghaytan puS luleghlaHchu'bogh =
nuvpu' 'ej mInDu'Daj leghchu'meH ghaHDaq Sumbogh. roghvaH vuD qelbe' bom 'a=
ch joHDaj vuvchu'mo' roghvaH=2C pIch ghajbe' tIna'tIn 'e' luHar 'e' vIHar j=
IH.<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B jotHa'choH puqbe'Daj 'e' tu' roStevan 'utlh=2C va=
j puqbe'Daj qeSmeH chol. =ABHoch vav<br>>=3B cho' puqDaj=2C 'ej jIH choch=
o'pa' SoH=2C jotlaHbe' tIqwIj'e'=2C=BB <br><br>Qov:<br>>=3B cho' 'e' loH =
neH. Heghpu'mo' pagh Sabqu'pu'mo' cho' neHbe'.<br><br>HIja'. 'ej be' ghaH t=
Ina'tIn'e' 'e' yIqaw. nughmey tIQvaD=2C pIj ghu' motlhDaq joH cho'laH puqlo=
D neH=2C 'ej roStevan cho'wI' wIvlaHchu' neHba' je. I see this as a nice pa=
rallel not only to Queen Tamar=2C but to Gorkon and Azetbur in ST6. Though =
Gorkon died rather than became an 'utlh=2C he'd made it clear that his inte=
nt was for Azetbur to succeed him=2C and I have no doubt that had Gorkon li=
ved he would have done just as roStevan has.<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B jatlh. =
=ABvaj yISaQQo'=2C puqbe'wI'=2C 'ach qeSwIj yIbuS. DaHjaj qolvat joH SoH=3B=
qaSughta' jIH=2C<br>>=3B 'ej pIlajta' Hoch maH. DaH Sep qumvaD SoH Davoq=
lu'. tlhoy yImunQo'=2C yInguqHa''eghmoH=2C<br>>=3B batlh yInoH. reH potlh=
wI'vaD ramwI'vaD je pung yIcha'=3B chalqach pIgh je wovmoHlaH jul.<br><br>Q=
ov:<br>>=3B jotHa'moHbe' qeSvam. ngoy' 'e' Sovmo' SaQtaH!<br><br>jotHa'mo=
Hbe' 'ach chaq 'oHmo' ghojlaH.<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B ta' quvmo'[]=2C tlhabH=
a'qangchoH nuv tlhab=2C 'ej lobqangchoH nuv tlhabHa' 'e' chaw'.<br><br>{'e'=
chaw'} vIteqpu'. nungbogh chovnatlhmo' chuvpu'.<br><br>Qov:<br>>=3Bvalbe=
j voDleH 'utlh.<br><br>teH. Very classist advice=2C very cynical=2C but als=
o very pragmatic.<br><br>QeS<br> </div></body>
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