[94148] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' cha'vatlh cha'maH jav: tojbogh
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Qov)
Tue Jul 24 15:11:09 2012
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 13:07:15 -0600
To: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
From: Qov <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
jabbI'IDvam Soplaw'pu' Thunderbird vaj =
jabbI'IDghom Daqvo' vISuqta' 'ej EudoraDaq vIjang.
>poHwIj lunatlhpu' qoq Qu'mey, yaH Qu'mey, muD =
>Dotlh je. QIt lut vIlaDba'lI'. Dojbe' SerwIj Do.
'a Doj Qu'mey law' Data'taHbogh vaj yItuHQo'.
>On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Qov <robyn@flyingstart.ca> wrote:
> > 226
> > tojbogh to'
>
>toj 'Iv? 'Iv toj?
toj nuv Sar 'e' Datu'ba'.
> > yev Qoreq. jatlh, =ABjonwI' jolpa' bIngDaq =
> maHtaH. manarghDI' neghvetlh 'emDaq
> > Sajol.=BB
>
>HubtaH neghvetlh qar'a'? qaStaHvIS jaj law' lut vIbuSbe'.
HIja'. QaptaHvIS lotlhwI'pu', pawmo' HubtaHbogh =
negh chu', to' pIm nejchoH vajar.
>nIvbej =AB=BB jatlhwI' Deghmey. Qapjaj jabbI'ID cha'wI'lIj.
ghItlhwIj vIchoHtaH. wej jabbI'ID lI'wI' chu' ta' =
Dalegh. cha'Hu' neH vIlo'choH 'ej DaHjaj mumaghqu'mo' vIlon.
> > =ABmajQa'=BB, jatlh vajar. neghvetlh lujeyta'DI' =
> jonwI' choQ lujonmeH lotlhwI'pu' He rap lughoSlaH.[268]
>
>qID vItu'be'. =ABjonwI'=BB bop'a'?
HIja'. puj. chaq tlhaQmoHlaH latlh. jonwI'pu' =
jonmeH choQvetlh lulo'chugh vaj cha'logh jonwI' choQ 'oH.
> > lo'laH lojmIt
>
>(tugh Qaghvam lughmoHghach vIjuS 'e' vItul.)
DaH ghItlhDaq tu'lu'be'bej 'e' vI'olqa'.
> > ngaQHa'moH Qoreq 'ej pa'
> > bejmeH loQ poSmoH. HurDaq be' ghogh Qoy vajar.
>
>Do' QaptaH QoymoHwI'meyDaj.
chIlbe'pu'mo' Do'qu'bej. QoylaHbe'taHmo' vajar jIpuQ!
> > poSchoHchu' lojmIt 'ej Qoreq
> > 'uchchoH vay' 'ej 'ochvo' luHchoH.
> >
> > =ABQoreq! chay'?=BB jatlh be'. 'och wovmoH Sech tIH 'ej lIS'eghpu'DI' v=
ajar
> > mInDu', qaH'eng legh. ochvo' yongHa' ghom.
>
>mach qo'. jupHey lutu'.
jonwI' choQDaq ghaHtaH.
> > Quchbe'law' Qoreq. jatlh, =ABqatlh jolpa'Daq SoHtaH?=BB
> >
> > jatlh qaH'eng, =ABchay' naDev SuSaH tlhIH? bangwI'!=BB Hota'ro' 'uchchoH
> > qaH'eng.
>
>jupna''e' tu'.
bangwI' chaH.
> > =ABSIbI' maQolnIS=BB, jatlh vajar. may' to'chaj QIj. Hung jIH lIS qaH'e=
ng. veQ
> > lI' ngaSbogh choQ cha' HaSta, 'ach pa' SuvtaHbe' tlhachmey. rInlaw' may=
'.
> > lommeyvo' beHmey, nIch[266] je boSlI' vajar lopno' jaHbe'pu'bogh tlhIng=
an
> > negh law''e'.
>
>lujpu''a' QuD? vajarvaD beqDajvaD je Qobqu' ghu'.
juppu'chajvaD Qob je.
> > va. tlhoy paS rep. ghIq Hung HaStaDaq QaS ra'wI' legh vajar.
> > Doqqu' wa' mIn 'ej Sachpu' Dechbogh DIr. veDDIr tuQtaH. vajar lopno'Daq
> > 'avwI' lujonta'bogh ghaH. mangghom ghIrta'.
>
>**
>=AByIrta'=BB DaghItlhHa''a'?
HIja'. maj. bIval.
> > ja'chuq ghaH ya 'ay' Sogh je.
> > QamtaH je lopno' mebpu', joqwI' qembogh loD je. may'vetlhvaD Qapta' quv.
>
>vaj lujpu'be'. wej Qapchu'pu' 'ach wej lujpu'.
>
>**
>If you just mean "honor won that battle", you don't need the {-vaD}. I
>see a valid reason to keep the current phrasing, though.
Maybe <may'vetlh'e' Qapta' quv> expresses it better.
> > jatlh qaH'eng =ABSaghochlI' 'ej meH boghoSlaw'lI'. bangwI',
> > bIvIHbe'choHlaw'DI' pa' vIHotlh. pa'vetlhDaq lommey neH lutu'lu'.=BB
>
>toH! Hota'ro''e' ghochbe'pu'. Hota'ro' meb Degh neH ghochpu'.
majQa'. 'ej latlh may' tu'.
> > tojbogh
> > to' Del Hota'ro'. Qapta'mo' to' bel vajar. tojlI' je qaH'eng. qImyal QaS
> > matlh botmeH lojmItmey ngaQmoHtaH. ghu' yajbe'meH meH, QumwI' pat munta=
H.
>
>**
>chaq =ABnIS=BB QaQ law' =ABmun=BB QaQ puS.
pIj vIchoHta'. nIS DamaSchugh vaj vIlo'.
> > Hung pat luSorghlaw'ta'mo' je lotlhwI'pu', Dat leghlaHbe' qaH'eng
>
>**
>I know what {Dat leghlaHbe'} is intended to mean, and I want it to
>mean that too, but I'm not completely sure it does. If we can negate
>entire sentences with {-be'}, it's fine. Otherwise, it probably would
>need to be {'op Daqmey leghlaHbe'}.
yajlaHchu'meH Hoch vIchoH.
> > 'ach
> > Qaplaw'lI' lotlhwI'pu'. patmey Sorghta' =
> lotlhwI' neH 'e' Har ngaH. patmeyDaj
> > QIH 'e' ngIlmo' vay' qejqu' ngaH. Sengmey tI'meH pa' pImDaq vumlI' ngaH.
> > tI'lI' je qaH'eng 'e' Har ngaH.
>
>toH, law' tojwI' 'ej law' to'.
Dalegh 'e' vISov.
> > jatlh qaH'eng, =ABQoreq, vajar lopno' DajaH
> > DaneHDI' loQ chomer 'ej DaH DatoDta'. qanoHHa'pu', SuvwI'!=BB
>
>nuq 'Iv ghap toDta'? vajar toD'a'? lopno' toD'a'? Hota'ro' toD'a'?
yajHa'laH vay' 'e' vIpIHbe'. <vajar beq> vIchel. <vajar beq DatoDta'>
> > tlho' lajqangbe' Qoreq. jatlh, =ABDujvaD Qu' vIta'taH.=BB
> >
> > jatlh vajar, =ABqaH'eng, QapmeH QuD, jonwI' =
> choQ wISeHnIS. pIQIH wIneHbe' ...=BB
>
>nuv quv buQtaH'a' vajar?
Daj. buQ 'e' vIHechbe' 'ach buQlaH mu'meyvetlh =
'e' vIyajchu'. "embarrassed" vImughlaHchu'be'mo' =
vajar Dotlh vIDellaHchu'be'. <qaH'eng quv> =
pongchugh, tlhob vajar 'ej buQbe' net yajlaH'a'?
I did something in this scene that I don't =
usually do. Because Klingon is so context =
sensitive, I usually try to be as linear as =
possible within a scene, with each action and =
line of dialogue relating to the one before it. =
In this one I had a fair amount of information to =
impart, but everyone had different priorities so =
it was unnatural to deal with one topic at a =
time. Every time I rearranged it to bring someone =
else's priorities to the fore, it still seemed =
wrong that someone else wait to bring up their =
concerns. The relationships between their ranks =
and statuses--Hota'ro' and qaH'eng are lovers, =
vajar outranks qaH'eng but on a different ship =
and he's in her domain, qoreQ is the one who =
instigated this, and the same rank as qaH'eng-- =
isn't enough to make anyone defer to another, the =
way I sometimes force this situation. Have the =
time I send someone out of the room or give them =
a task to focus on, it's to prevent a confusing =
babble of voices.But here I just went for it, =
with a lot of questions asked without responses =
and statements made that don't relate to what was =
said before. I'm glad that it doesn't seem to have been confusing.
And I think I've successfully slipped in the =
thing that I intended to slip by. It's really =
hard to know what is screamingly obvious when you =
know what's going to happen. jIlaDqa'lI'mo' =
jISeychoH. chaq yuch 'Iq vISoppu'mo' neH moD tIqwIj. :-)
- Qov
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