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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] chIjwI' tIQ bom: {baQ} {DeH} je
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (De'vID)
Mon Jul 9 16:28:23 2012
In-Reply-To: <CA+7zAmNYd8aJDYtcA-DggSbZA+jgNUFjRScQZhDk1dcYtGfdHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 22:28:07 +0200
From: "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>
To: tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org
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QeS 'utlh:
> chIrgh leng wIlengtaHvIS maH tay'
> mutlhejqangchugh nuv QaQ,
> Dunqu'; jIHvaD lengvetlh 'ey DeH
> SawwI' 'uQ'a' 'ey baQ!
>
> O sweeter than the marriage-feast,
> 'Tis sweeter far to me,
> To walk together to the kirk
> With a goodly company!
>
> {maH tay'} lajlu' 'e' vISIv. 'ach vIlaj jIH'e' 'ej vIparHa'. {{:)
It may just be me, but I read {wIlengtaHvIS maH mutlhej nuv} as "a person
accompanies *us* while *we* travel", i.e., the {maH} excludes the
(additional) companion. Even with {maH tay'}, I'm inclined to interpret
this as the speaker already being a part of a group, which is then
accompanied by an additional person. Otherwise, the additional companion
would be {tlhej}ing him/herself, which doesn't quite work in my mind.
Also, why do you use {chIrgh leng} rather than just {chIrgh}? IIRC (and I
may be wrong about this) {wI-} on {leng} indicates that the object is the
destination, so {chIrgh leng wIleng} would mean "we walk to the church
trip", where "church trip" is the destination. Or do we have canon usage
of {leng} where the object is a path? If you need a syllable there for
meter, maybe {chIrghDaq wIleng...} would work?
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<p><br>
QeS 'utlh:<br>
> chIrgh leng wIlengtaHvIS maH tay'<br>
> mutlhejqangchugh nuv QaQ,<br>
> Dunqu'; jIHvaD lengvetlh 'ey DeH<br>
> SawwI' 'uQ'a' 'ey baQ!<br>
><br>
> O sweeter than the marriage-feast,<br>
> 'Tis sweeter far to me,<br>
> To walk together to the kirk<br>
> With a goodly company!<br>
><br>
> {maH tay'} lajlu' 'e' vISIv. 'ach vIlaj jIH'e&=
#39; 'ej vIparHa'. {{:)</p>
<p>It may just be me, but I read {wIlengtaHvIS maH mutlhej nuv} as "a =
person accompanies *us* while *we* travel", i.e., the {maH} excludes t=
he (additional) companion.=A0 Even with {maH tay'}, I'm inclined to=
interpret this as the speaker already being a part of a group, which is th=
en accompanied by an additional person.=A0 Otherwise, the additional compan=
ion would be {tlhej}ing him/herself, which doesn't quite work in my min=
d.=A0 </p>
<p>Also, why do you use {chIrgh leng} rather than just {chIrgh}?=A0 IIRC (a=
nd I may be wrong about this) {wI-} on {leng} indicates that the object is =
the destination, so {chIrgh leng wIleng} would mean "we walk to the ch=
urch trip", where "church trip" is the destination.=A0 Or do=
we have canon usage of {leng} where the object is a path?=A0 If you need a=
syllable there for meter, maybe {chIrghDaq wIleng...} would work?</p>
<p>--<br>
De'vID</p>
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