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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Time and Type 7 verb suffixes
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (ghunchu'wI')
Sat Jun 23 23:22:19 2012
From: ghunchu'wI' <qunchuy@alcaco.net>
In-Reply-To: <CA+7zAmN=_RiN-bmBWzKjh1jGY3oR_-bR4abEwLpczQU31z=bhg@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 23:22:37 -0400
To: Klingon language email discussion forum <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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On Jun 23, 2012, at 9:35 PM, "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
> An instructor might bark:
>=20
> {vIghro''a' yIlol} "strike the Tiger stance!"
>=20
> {vIghro''a' yIloltaH} "maintain the Tiger stance!"
>=20
> If you've watched enough martial arts movies, you'll know what the differe=
nce is. You'll also know that if you do one when he means the other, you wi=
ll be reprimanded.
>=20
[I will temporarily suppress my belief that {lol} does not have a transitive=
meaning.]
I don't watch martial arts movies, so I'll have to take your word for it. Bu=
t you're apparently arguing on the side that says the suffix is needed when y=
ou want to *express* the aspect, and not required when the aspect is unimpor=
tant. The first sentence is definitely not commanding the student to have a t=
endency to be in the pose, or to be in the habit of doing so, or have the po=
se as a basic attribute of his existence, or whatever else it is that a verb=
unmarked for aspect is said to indicate. It seems to be commanding somethin=
g which is inherently an ongoing action, but where the idea of continuous ac=
tion is not important to call attention to by making it explicit.
The command {yItaD} is likewise none of those things, obviously implies that=
the one commanded is to maintain his lack of movement, and has the added bo=
nus of being an example from KGT.
-- ghunchu'wI'=
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bkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composit=
ion-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">On Jun 23, 2012, at 9:35 PM=
, "De'vID" <<a href=3D"mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com">de.vid.jonpin@gmai=
l.com</a>> wrote:</span></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><p>An instructor m=
ight bark:</p>
<p>{vIghro''a' yIlol} "strike the Tiger stance!"</p>
<p>{vIghro''a' yIloltaH} "maintain the Tiger stance!"</p>
<p>If you've watched enough martial arts movies, you'll know what the differ=
ence is. You'll also know that if you do one when he means the other, y=
ou will be reprimanded.</p></blockquote><div>[I will temporarily suppress my=
belief that {lol} does not have a transitive meaning.]</div><br><div><span>=
</span></div><div>I don't watch martial arts movies, so I'll have to take yo=
ur word for it. But you're apparently arguing on the side that says the suff=
ix is needed when you want to *express* the aspect, and not required when th=
e aspect is unimportant. The first sentence is definitely not commanding the=
student to have a tendency to be in the pose, or to be in the habit of doin=
g so, or have the pose as a basic attribute of his existence, or whatever el=
se it is that a verb unmarked for aspect is said to indicate. It seems to be=
commanding something which is inherently an ongoing action, but where the i=
dea of continuous action is not important to call attention to by making it e=
xplicit.</div><div><br></div><div>The command {yItaD} is likewise none of th=
ose things, obviously implies that the one commanded is to maintain his lack=
of movement, and has the added bonus of being an example from KGT.</div><di=
v><br></div><div>-- ghunchu'wI'</div></body></html>=
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