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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Lament (Re: A demonstration of aspect we can all
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (De'vID jonpIn)
Wed Jun 13 12:57:14 2012
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:56:57 +0200
From: "De'vID jonpIn" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>
To: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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> --- On Thu, 6/7/12, David Trimboli and many others wrote:
>>lots of stuff
ter'eS:
> [poD] ... if we work hard enough, we can make this language totally unusable.
Despite the disagreement about the exact technical meaning of the type
7 suffixes, people don't generally seem to be unable to understand
each other's Klingon sentences.
I actually found the discussion very useful. As a result of it, I
read up on grammatical aspect and re-read sections of TKD, and I would
say I have a better understanding of aspect (both in and outside of
Klingon) than I did before.
ter'eS:
> If anybody wonders why more newbies don't post here,
This is a problem. I guess back in the day when there were no or very
few experts, most of the conversations on the list happened at a
beginner's or an intermediate level. It's not that there's a lack of
beginners, but newbies are intimidated by long posts entirely in
Klingon (several people have told me this off-list), or long posts in
English about arcane corner cases of grammar.
Maybe a solution to this would be to split up the mailing list, and
have a beginner's list where posts have to have at least as much
English as Klingon and discussions about controversial or advanced
points of grammar are now allowed.
ter'eS:
> I'd say that this constant tendency to rethink long-established patterns, this "everything you know is wrong" mindset, goes a long way towards explaining it.
I haven't detected "a constant tendency to rethink long-established
patterns". Aside from this recent spate of posts about aspect, what
other occurrences of this do you have in mind?
ter'eS:
> I'm pretty much done with Klingon, and the way a once-firm concensus about how it operates has been eroded in the last few years is a large part of the reason why.
Was there ever a "firm consensus" about how it operates? I think
there's as much consensus as there ever was about most of Klingon
grammar -- otherwise, people wouldn't understand each other, and yet
people do.
I would be sad if a skilled Klingon speaker leaves the community on
account of heated debates about grammar, as would I think other
members of the community.
--
De'vID
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