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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' wa'vatlh SochmaH
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Wed May 9 23:44:15 2012
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From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 20:43:52 -0700
To: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
Cc: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
This is influence from Russian, which also lacks the verb "to be" in the present tense and uses the verbs sit/stand/hang/lie where English would just use to be. I thought I'd try it, but as it strikes you both as wrong, I guess it doesn't work. I'm surprised. One can make a corpse sit or lie in English, too.
-Qov
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On 2012-05-09, at 13:52, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
> Qov:
>>> chegh Hota'ro' ghutar je. yIQchu'. yIttaHvIS naQvo' HuS gheDchaj.
>>> chemvaH rur. ror 'ej pIv veD. "majQa'!" jatlh vajar. ghIq jatlh,
>>> "maja'chuqnIS." beb HeH bIngDaq gheD luQotmoH.
>
> ghunchu'wI':
>> Unless the animal is still alive and they're letting it get some rest,
>> I believe this stretches the meaning of {Qot} past reasonable limits.
>> The "recline" meaning gives me the impression that it shouldn't apply
>> to something inanimate.
>
> Agreed. FYI {Qot} "lie, recline" in canon:
>
> DungDaq legh 'ej QotnIStaH romuluSngan be'pu'
> Romulan women belong on their backs! (ST5 notes)
>
> QongDaqDaq Qotbe' tlhInganpu'
> Klingons do not lie in bed. (TKW)
>
> QotDI' gheD tlhejbe' wamwI'
> The hunter does not lie down with the prey. (TKW)
>
>> I consider the verb to be almost the opposite of {Hu'}.
>
> or the opposite of {Qam} "stand":
>
> QamvIS Hegh qaq law' torvIS yIn qaq puS
> Better to die on our feet than live on our knees. (ST6 & TKW)
>
> yIyong 'ej pa' yIQam
> Get in and stand there. (CK)
>
> Qam
> Stand! (PK)
>
> poSDaq nIHDaq je QamtaHvIS SuvwI'pu', chaH jojDaq yItnIS lopwI'
> The initiate must pass through a gauntlet of warriors. (S9)
>
> {Hu'} "get up" in canon is unhelpful:
>
> yIHu'
> [Get up! (untranslated)] (ST3 & ST6)
>
>
> --
> Voragh
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
>
>
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