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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' wa'vatlh SochmaH jav: DaH
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Tue May 8 20:13:37 2012
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From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 17:13:12 -0700
To: ghunchu'wI' 'utlh <qunchuy@alcaco.net>
Cc: Klingon language email discussion forum <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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Vancouver vIpaw! qaStaHvIS wa'maH wa' jaj jIlengtaH.=20
Sent from a mobile device through a temporary connection.=20
On 2012-05-08, at 14:04, "ghunchu'wI' 'utlh" <qunchuy@alcaco.net> wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Qov <robyn@flyingstart.ca> wrote:
>> morgh Mahoun. jatlh, "matay'pu'! paw 'anDorngan Duj 'ej nutoD! juppu'wI'
>> chaH! lu'ollaH!"
>=20
> lu'ollaH toDwI' 'e' vIHonbe'. 'ach lu'ol'a' gho'Do qama'pu'?
jatlh Mahoun. vIjatlhbe' jIH.=20
>> Hegh Mahoun 'e' pIH ngaq
>> Duj HoD. wejmaH ben Mahoun, 'anDorngan qama'pu' je tlhapta' 'anDorngan Du=
j.
>=20
> jIjruplaw' DIr SuD yoq.
ghaytan not Mahoun mut leghpu' 'anDorngan HoDvetlh. chaq HoD SIgh Mahoun DIr=
, 'ach ghaytan qama' Doq toDqang je.
>> wej DISvetlh qawbe' Mahoun. *naQjaj yoH* tlheDDI' Mahoun tuQDoq leghlaw'.=
>> poH lIjmoHlaH tuQDoq. nap lut. ghaytan qaStaHvIS wej DIS bIghHa'Daq ghaH
>> Mahoun'e' 'ej joy'wI' mIwmey le' qawbe'meH, tuQDoq lo'pu' vay'.
>=20
> DISmey lIjba'pu', 'ach Hol tIghmey je qawlaw'. tlhIb'a' tuQDoq lo'wI'?
> pagh ngoQ pegh tu'lu''a'?
pagh jaS yabDaq wanI'mey, Hol je lupollu'.=20
>> QI' pegh
>> 'oH'a'? tuQDoq qel. 'ach tuQDoq qaw Mahoun, tuQDoq 'oHbejchugh
>> rotlhmoHwI'qoqDaj'e'.
>=20
> toQDoqHey'e' qaw.
bIlugh.=20
>> "qaHar," jatlh vajar. bIghHa'HomDaq Mahoun qaw. jatlh "vIghro'mey bopbej'=
a'
>> bomlIj mu'mey?"
>=20
> toH, potlh qelchoH.
lut pong vIlIjbe'nIS.=20
>> "jISovbe'," jatlh Mahoun. "SoHvaD vIQulchoH. no' Hol HaDpu'mo' chIjwI'wI'=
>> vIghel, 'ach no' Hol 'oHbe' jatlh. loQ rur 'op mu'mey neH. vaj vImughlaHb=
e'.
>> vIghro' bop 'e' vIHon. bom ngo' law' ghe'naQvetlh ngo' puS 'e' vIHar.
>> mupIlmoH bom. ghe'naQDaq HeghlI' loD 'ej luQaH ngem Ha'DIbaHmey."
>=20
> (nI''a' bom? qaStaHvIS tup 'ar bomlu'?)
nI'qu'be' 'ej pIj mu'mey rap lubomqa'lu'. ghenaQvaD poH nI' poQlaH wa' mu'.=20=
>> "choja'pu'," jatlh vajar. HIqDaj tlhutlh 'ej bebDaq SIStaH 'e' 'Ij. nuplI=
'
>> wab. chuSqa' Mahoun QumwI'. jang Mahoun.[254] be' ghogh qImtaHvIS QamchoH=
.
>> jabbI'ID yev 'ej jatlh "muDDaq law'mo' tatmey jolpat voqchu'be' beqwIj.
>=20
> qay'taH tatmey...pagh beq meqqoq 'oH. ghobe' -- jIpIHQo'. vIt 'e' vIlaj.
tatmey pIchmo' veS beq, Farsajii beq je, vItnIS. QuSbe'bej yelwIyyItnganpu',=
tlhInganpu' je!
>> SaHmo' tlhIngan law', qay'choHpa' mujol. vajar HoD, malja' wIHuqqa'jaj."
>=20
> jIbel jatlhbe'mo' Qapla'!
vajar Qu' Sovbe' Mahoun.=20
>> "DaH jIbwIj vISay'nISmoH," SIbI' jatlh 'eSSIm. Do'Ha'.
>=20
> vajarvaD chaq Do'Ha'.
be'pu' parHa'. mob 'eSSIm. Hoch 'ebmey tIjon.=20
>> qaStaHvIS tup
>> puS tamtaH. QamchoH vajar. betleH tlhap 'ej mej.[193]
>=20
> rInba' Qu'Daj.
Dayajmo' jIQuch. =20
>> 'eSSIm Du' qach beb HeH bIngDaq wamwI'pu' loS.[196]
>=20
> va, loSnISqu'. mejlaHbe', QumwI' lughajmo' chaH.
ngoDHommey DaqImchu'mo' qonwI' Qu' DaDunmoH.=20
>> [196] That's a string of six nouns modifying one another. It was easy to
>> write and makes instant sense to me, but I wrote it. vay' laDHa'moH'a'?
>=20
> I didn't even notice the wording. After the mud soup metaphor (or was
> it a pun?), I was just enjoying the narrative.
majQa'.=20
>=20
- Qov=
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Vancouver vIpaw! qaStaHvIS=
wa'maH wa' jaj jIlengtaH. <br><br>Sent from a mobile device through a t=
emporary connection. </div><div><br>On 2012-05-08, at 14:04, "ghunchu'w=
I' 'utlh" <<a href=3D"mailto:qunchuy@alcaco.net">qunchuy@alcaco.net</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><span>On Su=
n, Apr 29, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Qov <<a href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca">=
robyn@flyingstart.ca</a>> wrote:</span><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><spa=
n>morgh Mahoun. jatlh, "matay'pu'! paw 'anDorngan Duj 'ej nutoD! juppu'wI'</=
span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>chaH! lu'ollaH!"</span=
><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>lu'ollaH toDwI' 'e' vIHonbe'. 'ach l=
u'ol'a' gho'Do qama'pu'?</span><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>jatlh M=
ahoun. vIjatlhbe' jIH. <div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><span></span=
></div></blockquote><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><span></span><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><span>Hegh Mahoun 'e' pIH ngaq</span><br></blockquote><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><span>Duj HoD. wejmaH ben Mahoun, 'anDorngan qama'pu' j=
e tlhapta' 'anDorngan Duj.</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>jIj=
ruplaw' DIr SuD yoq.</span><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>ghaytan not=
Mahoun mut leghpu' 'anDorngan HoDvetlh. chaq HoD SIgh Mahoun DIr, 'ach ghay=
tan qama' Doq toDqang je.</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><span=
></span><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>wej DISvetlh qawbe' Mahoun. *naQjaj y=
oH* tlheDDI' Mahoun tuQDoq leghlaw'.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><span>poH lIjmoHlaH tuQDoq. nap lut. ghaytan qaStaHvIS wej DIS bIg=
hHa'Daq ghaH</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Mahoun'e=
' 'ej joy'wI' mIwmey le' qawbe'meH, tuQDoq lo'pu' vay'.</span><br></blockquo=
te><span></span><br><span>DISmey lIjba'pu', 'ach Hol tIghmey je qawlaw'. tlh=
Ib'a' tuQDoq lo'wI'?</span><br><span>pagh ngoQ pegh tu'lu''a'?</span><br></d=
iv></blockquote><div><br></div>pagh jaS yabDaq wanI'mey, Hol je lupollu'.&nb=
sp;</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><span></span><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite"><span>QI' pegh</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<span>'oH'a'? tuQDoq qel. 'ach tuQDoq qaw Mahoun, tuQDoq 'oHbejchugh</span><=
br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>rotlhmoHwI'qoqDaj'e'.</span>=
<br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>toQDoqHey'e' qaw.</span><br></div></=
blockquote><div><br></div>bIlugh. </div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te"><div><span></span><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>"qaHar," jatlh vajar. b=
IghHa'HomDaq Mahoun qaw. jatlh "vIghro'mey bopbej'a'</span><br></blockquote>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>bomlIj mu'mey?"</span><br></blockquote><span=
></span><br><span>toH, potlh qelchoH.</span><br></div></blockquote><div><br>=
</div>lut pong vIlIjbe'nIS. </div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><d=
iv><span></span><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>"jISovbe'," jatlh Mahoun. "S=
oHvaD vIQulchoH. no' Hol HaDpu'mo' chIjwI'wI'</span><br></blockquote><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite"><span>vIghel, 'ach no' Hol 'oHbe' jatlh. loQ rur 'op mu'm=
ey neH. vaj vImughlaHbe'.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><=
span>vIghro' bop 'e' vIHon. bom ngo' law' ghe'naQvetlh ngo' puS 'e' vIHar.</=
span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>mupIlmoH bom. ghe'naQD=
aq HeghlI' loD 'ej luQaH ngem Ha'DIbaHmey."</span><br></blockquote><span></s=
pan><br><span>(nI''a' bom? qaStaHvIS tup 'ar bomlu'?)</span><br></div></bloc=
kquote><div><br></div>nI'qu'be' 'ej pIj mu'mey rap lubomqa'lu'. ghenaQvaD po=
H nI' poQlaH wa' mu'. </div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><sp=
an></span><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>"choja'pu'," jatlh vajar. HIqDaj t=
lhutlh 'ej bebDaq SIStaH 'e' 'Ij. nuplI'</span><br></blockquote><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><span>wab. chuSqa' Mahoun QumwI'. jang Mahoun.[254] be' ghogh q=
ImtaHvIS QamchoH.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>jab=
bI'ID yev 'ej jatlh "muDDaq law'mo' tatmey jolpat voqchu'be' beqwIj.</span><=
br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>qay'taH tatmey...pagh beq meqqoq 'oH.=
ghobe' -- jIpIHQo'. vIt 'e' vIlaj.</span><br></div></blockquote><div><br></=
div>tatmey pIchmo' veS beq, Farsajii beq je, vItnIS. QuSbe'bej yelwIyyItngan=
pu', tlhInganpu' je!</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><span></sp=
an><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>SaHmo' tlhIngan law', qay'choHpa' mujol. v=
ajar HoD, malja' wIHuqqa'jaj."</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span=
>jIbel jatlhbe'mo' Qapla'!</span><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>vajar=
Qu' Sovbe' Mahoun. </div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><span=
></span><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"=
-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition=
-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color:=
rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "> "DaH jIbwIj vISay'nISmoH," SIbI' jatl=
h 'eSSIm. Do'Ha'.</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>vajarvaD cha=
q Do'Ha'.</span><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>be'pu' parHa'. mob 'eS=
SIm. Hoch 'ebmey tIjon. </div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><=
span></span><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=
=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composi=
tion-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-co=
lor: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">qaStaHvIS tup</span><br></blockquote><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><span>puS tamtaH. QamchoH vajar. betleH tlhap 'ej me=
j.[193]</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>rInba' Qu'Daj.</span><=
br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Dayajmo' jIQuch. </div><div><br><=
/div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span cla=
ss=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 2=
6, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);=
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">'eSSIm Du'=
qach beb HeH bIngDaq wamwI'pu' loS.[196]</span><br></blockquote><span></spa=
n><br><span>va, loSnISqu'. mejlaHbe', QumwI' lughajmo' chaH.</span><br></div=
></blockquote><div><br></div>ngoDHommey DaqImchu'mo' qonwI' Qu' DaDunmoH.&nb=
sp;</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><span></span><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite"><span>[196] That's a string of six nouns modifying one another. I=
t was easy to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>write a=
nd makes instant sense to me, but I wrote it. vay' laDHa'moH'a'?</span><br><=
/blockquote><span></span><br><span>I didn't even notice the wording. After t=
he mud soup metaphor (or was</span><br><span>it a pun?), I was just enjoying=
the narrative.</span><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>majQa'.&nbs=
p;</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" c=
olor=3D"#005001"><span></span></font></div></blockquote></div><div> - Q=
ov</div></body></html>=
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