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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Dahar ({Da'ar}) mastery
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Mon May 7 10:49:36 2012
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 14:49:25 +0000
In-Reply-To: <CA+7zAmMEHSdAoUxTSnAT6Yj-dmVguDmdVvvb3+4ER8ar04ydSw@mail.gmail.com>
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De'vID:
> Is Dahar ({Da'ar}) the thing that is mastered, or the title given to a
> person who attains the mastery?=A0 Does anyone have the novel "A Good Day
> to Die" who can explain how {Da'ar} is used there?
I believe {Da'ar} is a Klingon martial art in all of De Candido's novels. =
Others have speculated that it refers to a Klingon warrior who has reached =
a legendary status among his peers and subordinates. Kor, Koloth, and Kang =
were all Dahar Masters.
"There's a drunken Klingon in my holding cell who must be a hundred
years old, singing battle songs. Even his best friend [Koloth],
who's probably a hundred and fifty years old, won't have anything
to do with him, so I get the pleasure of listening to his repertoire.
Kor, Dahar Master of the Klingons." [Odo to Kira, DS9 "Blood Oath"]
Cf. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Dahar_master =
Compare {'utlh}:
As a result, there are not many officers who end their service to the
Empire by simply stepping down or retiring. There are some, however,
and the word {'utlh} is used to refer to an officer of this type.
Perhaps officer emeritus is an appropriate translation. [KGT 50f.]
> I've been translating a few stories about Zen masters lately and
> wondered what Klingon terminology might be used for a "master" in the
> sense of someone who has attained a spiritual degree considered worthy
> of veneration and emulation by others. (I chose Zen stories because
> samurai culture and Klingon culture seem to have some commonalities.)
*{Da'ar pIn'a'} "Dahar Master" has been used in fandom for some time, but i=
t's likely wrong. ~mark once commented on this list several years ago tha=
t:
I think Okrand didn't mean {pIn'a'} for Master in this sense... =
one who is knowledgeable in a field. He mentioned once, I think,
that he's looking for a better term for this meaning.
[~mark, (date?)]
Does anyone know if Okrand ever found the term he was looking for?
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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