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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Suto'vo'qor lojmIt
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Fri Apr 27 09:14:08 2012
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:13:56 +0000
In-Reply-To: <CA+7zAmMn2814dVY=_kkWWzZmMyw7dhCVgD1q5wVMGH1LKyrWGw@mail.gmail.com>
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For "unsheathe", AFAIK no. People have used both {teq} "remove" (never use=
d in canon) and {lel} "get out, take out" (used only once):
ngIq tonSaw' lo' 'ej tIqDu' lel
In one single move, he removed the hearts. (PB, paq'raD, canto 23)
{luH} "yank" would work in the right context, e.g.
pe'vIl vaHvo' yanDaj luH SuvwI' QeH
For "sheathe", I think all we have is {lan} "place, put", e.g.
vaHDaq yanDaj lan SuvwI'
{qat} "wrap, encase" or *{qatmoH} works in a slightly different sense of th=
e word, e.g.
"It [the scout ship] was sheathed in special materials that rendered it inv=
isible."
(Bele, TOS "Let that Be Your Last Battlefield")
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Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
From: De'vID jonpIn [mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:16 AM
De'vID:
>> QeHqu'choHmo' {Nobushige}, 'etlhDaj peprupchoH.
>> Nobushige became so angry that he began to draw his sword
Philip Newton:
> Does one {pep} (raise) a sword when one draws it? I thought this was {lel=
}.
Oh, good suggestion. You're right. (Do we have a word for (un)sheath?)
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">For “unsheathe”, AFAIK no. People =
have used both {teq} “remove” (never used in canon) and {lel} &=
#8220;get out, take out” (used only once):<o:p></o:p></span></font></=
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<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">=
ngIq tonSaw' lo' 'ej tIqDu' lel
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">=
In one single move, he removed the hearts. (PB, paq'raD, canto =
23)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">{luH} “yank” would work in the right con=
text, e.g.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"> pe’vIl vaHvo’ yanDaj luH SuvwI=
217; QeH<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">For “sheathe”, I think all we have is {l=
an} “place, put”, e.g.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"> vaHDaq yanDaj lan SuvwI’<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">{qat} “wrap, encase” or *{qatmoH} works =
in a slightly different sense of the word, e.g.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">"It [the scout ship] was sheathed in special ma=
terials that rendered it invisible."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"> (Bele, TOS "Let that Be Your Last B=
attlefield")<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Master of the Klingons<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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uot;"> De'vID
jonpIn [mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 27, 2012=
4:16 AM<br>
</span></font><font color=3D"#1f497d"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><br>
</span></font>De'vID:<br>
>> QeHqu'choHmo' {Nobushige}, 'etlhDaj peprupchoH.<br>
>> Nobushige became so angry that he began to draw his sword<font col=
or=3D"#1f497d"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0p=
t">Philip Newton:<br>
> Does one {pep} (raise) a sword when one draws it? I thought this was {=
lel}.<br>
<font color=3D"#1f497d"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><br>
</span></font>Oh, good suggestion. You're right. <font color=3D=
"#1f497d"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span></font>(Do we have a w=
ord for (un)sheath?)<font color=3D"#1f497d"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><=
o:p></o:p></span></font></span></font></p>
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