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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] The Lord's Prayer
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Wed Apr 11 09:44:09 2012
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>,
"tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org"
<tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:43:31 +0000
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>=A0 cherjaj wo'lIj
>=A0 may your empire be established
>
>=A0 quvjaj ponglIj
>=A0 may your name be honored
>
>Nice parallelism and rhythm too, which is useful in a prayer to be memoriz=
ed.
Unfortunately, cherjaj wo'lIj means "May your empire establish", not "May y=
our empire be established" (wo'lIj cherlu'jaj).
chenjaj wo'lIj arguably works, though.
________________________________________
From: Steven Boozer [sboozer@uchicago.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 15:19
To: tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] The Lord's Prayer
This is a perfect place for {-jaj} throughout the prayer:
TKD 175f.: This suffix is used to express a desire or wish on the part of =
the speaker that something take place in the future. When it is used, there=
is never a Type 7 aspect suffix. {-jaj} is often translated with "may" or =
"let", and it is particularly useful when placing a curse or making a toast.
So... [May] Thy kingdom come, [May] Thy will be done, [May] Thy name be hal=
lowed, etc. Also {-lIj} is correct; although G-d is certainly capable of u=
sing language, His empire and name are not.
cherjaj wo'lIj
may your empire be established
quvjaj ponglIj
may your name be honored
Nice parallelism and rhythm too, which is useful in a prayer to be memorize=
d.
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip Newton [mailto:philip.newton@gmail.com]
>
> Michael Roney, Jr. PKT <nahqun@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 9 Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
>> Suto'vo'qorDaq SoHtaH vavmaj; ponglIj quvmoH.
>
> For example, is there a reason you decided that God is not capable of
> using language, or were you trying to insult him?
>
> Also, I would have expected either a subject for {quvmoH} or something
> like {-jaj} or even {-lu'jaj}.
>
>> 10 Thy kingdom come.
>> wo'Daj cher
>
> And who is the subject of {cher}?
>
> {wo'lIj cher!} could be a command in clipped Klingon, but I can't see
> how {junob} can be anything but a statement.
>
>> (10) I chose cher over ghoS.
>> As I understand it, we're talking about establishing God's Kingdom
>> upon the Earth; not his Kingdom arriving on a ship.
>
> Perhaps {chenjaj} could also work.
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