daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Qov)
Wed Apr 4 13:36:17 2012
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 10:33:32 -0700
To: tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org
From: Qov <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
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Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
At 09:18 '?????' 4/4/2012, you wrote:
>On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Qov <robyn@flyingstart.ca> wrote:
> > yotlh lughoSta'. Qamqu' 'eSSIm 'ej loS. QamDI' Mahoun, loD qam Daq qarmoH
> > 'eSSIm. loQ qIvDaj SIHmoH. yavDaq rarnISchu' SuvwI'.
>
>(wa'maH vagh ben qep'a'Daq rurbogh qeq 'aghlu'. ngIbwIj tajvajmo' mIw
>'ut pablaHbe' 'uSDu'wIj.)
vIqaw. VancouverDaq SoHtaHchugh ghaytan SoHvaD mIw le' 'ogh tonSaw
ghojmoHwI'ma'. nuvpu' pIm vuv 'ej ma'qangqu'.
>bIng mu'meylIj vIlaDpa' nIbpu' qechwIj.
>
>I wouldn't use {qeq} with an object, but it's not a big deal. For this
>idea, I would have said {maqeqmeH loQ maSuv} or {...maQor}.
vIparHa'.
> > Mahoun 'emDaq QamtaH 'eSSIm, 'uchtaHvIS wa' DeS. Mahoun poS DeS bejqu'.
> > 'uchmeH mIwvam lo'chugh SuvwI', ghaytan ghol Hugh SIj, pagh mIn DuQ.
> > DaSDajDaq taj jej ghajtaHbogh SIchlaHbej 'eSSIm latlh ghop. Mahoun Hugh SIj
> > neHbe'. 'a DeSDaj pe'laH 'ej De' 'aplo' teqlaH, HoDchaj lujolpa' yaSpu'.
>
>'ong. loQ HIgh.
ngoQ chavmeH HIghqang.
> > noghtaH Mahoun. narghmeH, 'eSSIm yeb tlhe'moH 'e' nID 'ach
> qarchu'be'mo' DoS
> > 'ej SenHa'taHmo', Qapbe'lI mIw.
>
>tonSaw vISovbe'. mu'mey vIyaj 'ach Qagh DaDelbogh vIyajbe'. ram;
>lutDaq vanglu'!
tonSawvetlh vISovbe' jIH je. vanglu'chugh jIQuch.
> > wej DaS ghoSta' 'eSSIm ghop. 'eSSIm poS DeS
> > QortaHvIS Mahoun, 'eSSIm nIH DeS vaytaH 'eSSIm yab.[148]
>
>nuqjatlh? DeS vay'a' yab? taQqu'.
laDwI' mISmoHbe'meH vIchoHnIS 'e' Dachup'a'?
>I suggest "per verb". {vay} might have the thing being defended
>against as its object (e.g. jagh yan vay yoD lo'wI'), but I wouldn't
>count on it. It's described for us with usage parallel to {jop}, which
>is unlikely to be transitive. Here, though, I have no idea what you're
>trying to describe.
Two birds. One rock. I changed it to:
'eSSIm poS DeS QortaHvIS Mahoun, 'eSSIm nIH DeSvaD vay'egh 'eSSIm yab.
.
> > Mahoun tlhabmoH. pagh jatlh. bej 'eSSIm, QumwI'vaD yel Hol jatlhtaHvIS.
> > chay' ponlaH? tIghmeyDaj buSta'chugh, chaq ponmeH mu'mey qar Sov.
>
>ghellaH.
qoy' neHbe'.
> > QumwI' SoQmoHpu' mon Mahoun
>
><SoQmoHpu'>Daq 'ut'a' <-DI'>?
maj.
> > 'ej jatlh, "choHIvbe'bej 'e' lu'ol yaSpu'wI'.
> > <ghoSujtaHQo'> jIjatlhpu'. yIruchqa'." Suv'eghrupchoHmoH Mahoun. 'eSSIm
> > voqmo' Mahoun, voq'eghlaHbe'taHvIS 'eSSIm, DuQ.
>
>It took me a few seconds to stop trying to interpret {DuQ} literally.
jIyaj. chuHmeH mIw DachuplaHchugh vIlaj.
> > jatlh 'eSSIm, "chaloy, lugh chaH. tlhoy jIQob. tlhoS qaQID. vavwI' Hegh
> > bopmo' De' DaSo'bogh jIqImlaHbe'."
>
>DaH QatlhchoH Mahoun wIv.
>
>De' bajchugh 'eSSIm 'e' wuqlaH
>'ach tlhIngan HaqwI' Hajba'. toH,
>Mahoun DujDaq Qel tu'lu' qar'a'?
jolpa'Daq voQlI'mo' 'eSSIm chach maqDI' Mahoun paw QeDpIn, teppIn je
'e' yIqaw. Qel luHutlh. chachvaD vanglaHmeH 'op nuv paQDI'norgh luHaD
neH. FarsajiiDaq HaqwI' tu'lu'be'.
toH, tugh 'ay' veb vIlabnIS!
- Qov
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