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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] To-Be-Constructions
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (De'vID jonpIn)
Sun Apr 1 10:40:56 2012
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Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:40:38 +0200
From: "De'vID jonpIn" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>
To: tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org
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loghaD:
> I prefer {X 'oH pongwIj'e'}, for much the same reasons as others have
explained (my name is the topic of the discussion), but canon seems to lean
in the other direction.
There's one canon example with the template "X's name is Y":
{'u' 'oH ghe'naQ pong} [sic]
"The name of the opera is 'u'." (i.e., "The opera's name is 'u'.")
MO seems to have made a mistake in dropping the {-'e'}, but otherwise the
grammar is {X 'oH pong[Daj]'e'}.
There's also this from SkyBox card 27:
{roD 'oHvaD juHqo' ponglu' neH.}
"[Qo'noS] is usually referred to as simply "The Homeworld."
loghaD:
> Looking at some examples (from memory, since klingonska.org/canon appears
to be down):
>
> Sojvetlh 'oH nuq'e'? ("What is that food?")
This was given in PK as the pronunciation in the standard dialect of a
Morskan dialect sentence. I wonder if the grammar is not also odd?
loghaD:
> Dochvam nuq? ("What's this thing?")
>
> yIH nuq? ("What is a tribble?")
In both of these cases, the question word is acting as a pronoun, and these
aren't {-'e'} constructions.
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<p>loghaD:<br>
> I prefer {X 'oH pongwIj'e'}, for much the same reasons as =
others have explained (my name is the topic of the discussion), but canon s=
eems to lean in the other direction. </p>
<p>There's one canon example with the template "X's name is Y&=
quot;:</p>
<p>{'u' 'oH ghe'naQ pong} [sic]<br>
"The name of the opera is 'u'." (i.e., "The opera=
9;s name is 'u'.")</p>
<p>MO seems to have made a mistake in dropping the {-'e'}, but othe=
rwise the grammar is {X 'oH pong[Daj]'e'}.</p>
<p>There's also this from SkyBox card 27:<br>
{roD 'oHvaD juHqo' ponglu' neH.}<br>
"[Qo'noS] is usually referred to as simply "The Homeworld.&qu=
ot;</p>
<p>loghaD:<br>
> Looking at some examples (from memory, since <a href=3D"http://klingon=
ska.org/canon">klingonska.org/canon</a> appears to be down):<br>
><br>
> Sojvetlh 'oH nuq'e'? ("What is that food?")</p>
<p>This was given in PK as the pronunciation in the standard dialect of a M=
orskan dialect sentence.=A0 I wonder if the grammar is not also odd?</p>
<p>loghaD:<br>
> Dochvam nuq? ("What's this thing?")<br>
><br>
> yIH nuq? ("What is a tribble?")</p>
<p>In both of these cases, the question word is acting as a pronoun, and th=
ese aren't {-'e'} constructions.</p>
<p>--<br>
De'vID<br>
</p>
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