[92649] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] wa'maH cha' jatlhwI'pu' po'qu' chaH 'Iv'e'?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Lieven Litaer)
Sat Mar 24 06:28:09 2012
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 11:27:47 +0100
From: Lieven Litaer <lieven.litaer@web.de>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
In-Reply-To: <CA+7zAmP=dsugcf4xF3q1Uvx+2HwtfEG_LRbh8mZM0iYyawxbZA@mail.gmail.com>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
First of all, I've always wondered when is defined a "fluent" speaker. I
always say that I am fluent in Klingon, but I admit immediately that I
do not know *all* the words. If knowing all the words counts, I would
even dare to say that there are less then twelve speakers! ;-)
(PS: I am fluent in english, no doubt, and certainly do not know all the
words {{:-D)
If you count "partially" fluent speakers, then I estimate it to be more
than several hundreds. I keep meeting klingon speakers which I have
never met before, and I'm sure there are many people learning klingon
without telling us. (why should they? :-)
Am 24.03.2012 08:56, schrieb De'vID jonpIn:
> [1] - I wanted to say "[Sometimes it's even claimed that] someone is
> one of the twelve [fluent speakers]". {wa'maH cha''e' wa' ghaH
> vay''e'}? Also, this is one time I wish I was speaking Morskan: so I
> can emphasise the {vay''e'}.
I'd go like this {wa'maH cha' jatlhwI' po' wa' jatlhwI' ghaH'e'.}
A little more poetic and less literal:
{jatlhwI' po' ghom tay' wa' jatlhwI'vam}
> [2] - Has {pabpo'} never appeared in canon? Strange, I'm sure
> everyone understands it. I did find it in something written by {HoD
> Qanqor}.
I think this was introduced by the KLI - or even Krankor - for the
grammarians in 1994? An abbreviation of {pabwI' po'} "experienced
follower of rules"
> [3] - I wanted to say "I haven't been yet" but {wej}... oh, {wej}, why
> do you mean both "not yet" and "three"?
{wej qep'a' vISuch} is ambiguous, but Klingon is always context related:
--> {reH qep'a' vISuchta' vIneH, 'ach wej 'oH vISuchpu'.}
> [4] - My first attempt at "How many [fluent speakers] do you think
> there are?" was {jatlhwI'pu' po'qu' 'ar DanoH?}
Don't ask, give a command: {jatlhwI' po' mI' yInoH}
It's like "which weapon do you want?" {nuH DaneHbogh yIngu'.}
Lieven.
_______________________________________________
Tlhingan-hol mailing list
Tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
http://stodi.digitalkingdom.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol
