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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] qo''e' tu'bogh pagh - 'ay' wejmaH
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Fri Mar 9 13:05:09 2012
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org"
<tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 12:04:56 -0600
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This is an opportunity to use the slang term {ngup} "authority, power, one =
in authority, one in charge"... "somebody up there"!
KGT 157: Literally meaning "cape", this slang term is an example of metony=
my, whereby one word (or phrase) stands for another with which it is associ=
ated. In this case, the leader of the Klingon High Council typically wears =
a ceremonial cape. The slang sense of {ngup} does not refer only to this po=
sition on the High Council, however, but to anyone in power or even to "the=
power structure." Someone unsatisfied with the status quo, a rebel, might =
be said to want to {ngup qaD} (challenge those in charge; literally, "chall=
enge the cape"). Nonslang equivalents of {ngup} are {woQ} (authority, polit=
ical power) and {qum} (government).
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ghunchu'wI' 'utlh [mailto:qunchuy@alcaco.net]
> =
> >>> MARTIA: Somebody up there wants you out of the way.
> =
> > Qov:
> >> What does the "up" refer to in the English?
> >
> > From: De'vID jonpIn:
> > Actually, I'm not entirely sure.=A0 She's either referring to
> > someone up in space, or up in the hierarchy of the prison,
> > but she's quite vague about it.
> =
> Voragh wrote:
>> Or even higher in the Klingon government. It was General Chang et
>> al. who orchestrated Gorkon's assassination and framed Kirk.
> =
> I read "somebody up there" as idiomatic for "someone in power". I'd
> translate the line {SunISlaHbe' neHba' ngupHey}.
> =
> -- ghunchu'wI'
> =
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