[92343] in tlhIngan-Hol
[Tlhingan-hol] How do we know what -Ha' means? (Was: Re: ramwI'mey)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Qov)
Tue Feb 28 15:19:25 2012
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:13:05 -0800
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
From: Qov <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
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A discussion about a misunderstood word (attached below) has led to a
question about how we know what -Ha' means. I don't remember having
had much trouble with it in context, or people unable to understand
my usage. Do we just use context and canon? I'll pick some random
verbs and you tell me what your tlhIngan Hol Duj tells you they mean.
Qagh pagh lagh pagh Dap? I'll give my impressions in another e-mail
so as not to prejudice your choices.
nenHa'
cha'Ha'
SevHa'
wuDHa'
tlhIvHa'
jeghHa'
'IqHa'
pumHa'
HeSHa'
Feel free to add more, add examples, write context, whatever adds to
the discussion.
- Qov
>lojmIt tI'wI' nuv:
> >> > vIlagh. vIlaghHa'. vIlaghqa'. vIlaghHa'qa'. jImon.
>
>De'vID:
> >> DalaghHa''a'? pagh Damutlh'a'?
> >> {laghHa'} lo'lu'chugh laghDI' Qagh 'e' vIQub. ghaytan DalaghHa'be'.
>
>Qov:
> > jIQochqu'. lagh 'ej laghHa'bej. mu'mey ngo' Qaw'be' mu'mey chu'.
>
>pIj {-Ha'} vIyajbe'. ghorgh {Qagh} 'oS 'ej ghorgh "undo, be/do the
>opposite" 'oS?
>
>rut {Qagh} 'oSba':
>{jatlhHa'}
>{bachHa'}
>
>"unspeak", "unshoot" je chavlaHbe'mo' vay' "misspeak", "misfire" je 'oSba'.
>
>rut "be the opposite" 'oSba':
>{belHa'}
>{QuchHa'}
>
>rut "undo, do the opposite" 'oS:
>{tuQHa'}
>{buSHa'}
>{nobHa'}
>{parHa'}
>
>{tatlh} neH 'oSbe' {nobHa'}. {nobpu' ghIq tatlh} 'oS.
>
>qatlh "un-disassemble" 'oS {laghHa'} 'ej "mis-disassemble" 'oSbe'?
>vIyajbe'. {laghHa'} vIlaDDI' {laghDI' Qagh} 'e' vIyaj.
>
>De'vID:
> >> (mu' chu' 'oH {mutlh}'e'. qen wISuqpu'.)
>
>Qov:
> > laghbe'pu'chugh 'ej HIch chenmoHmeH 'ay'mey Sar lo'chugh chaq
> mutlh. laghpu'DI' laghHa'bej.
>
>ramqu' mu' chu'. {mutlh} wIHutlhchugh, {laghHa'} vIyajmeH choHbe'
>mIw. {-Ha'} vIyajbe'law' neH.
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