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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Hoghvam qaSpu': malDIv DevwI'quv SughHa'law'ta'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brent Kesler)
Sun Feb 26 22:05:52 2012
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20120214141208.0446f130@flyingstart.ca>
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:05:34 -0800
From: Brent Kesler <brent.of.all.people@gmail.com>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
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On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Qov <robyn@flyingstart.ca> wrote:
"He resigned for blah blah, says person," is pretty standard English
> journalese, but I find it weird having an emphatic ghaH before I even know
> who is being referred to. I would much prefer:
>
> vay tlhachmey 'e' botmeH, pajpu' malDIV DevwI'quv, mo'ameD naSID, ja' ghaH.
>
>
bIlugh. mu'tlheghlIj Qap law', mu'tlheghwIj Qap puS.
>
> DaH lut pIm ja'taH.
>>
>
> DaH lut pIm Daja'taH'a'? DaH lut pIm ja' mo'ameD. mo'ameD Daqelchugh,
> nungbogh mu'tlheghvaD poH ngu'wI' vIchup.
>
This is a problem I've run into often. It's easy to say something like
{wa'leS}, but a lot harder to say something like "one day after that"
succinctly. I also want to avoid words like {wa'leS}, because they won't be
accurate a year from now. I haven't found good strategies for expressing
time, so I try to avoid it (which makes writing about current events
difficult).
chaq {lutDaj choHpu' naSID} vIja'chugh, qaq. vaj...
- pajpu'DI' malDIV DevwI'quv, mo'ameD naSID, vay tlhachmey 'e' botmeH
pajpu' ja'. lutDaj choHpu' naSID.
> cha'DIchDaj, mo'ameD wa'ID 'aSan manIq, pum naSID; qIQ nabmeH yeqlaw'pu'
>> yaSpu', ghaH je. pumvam tem 'aSan, 'ach DevwI'quv gheSpu'.
>>
>
> 'Iq mo'ameDpu'.
>
'ej 'IQ wa'.
> DIS cha'SaD chorgh, DevwI'quv mojta' naSID. mawmun 'abDul ghayum cho'pu'.
>> qaStaHvIS wejmaH DISmey, HI' Dapu' ghayum, 'ach naSID luwIvtaHvIS
>> rewbe'pu', may mIw. qum DevtaHvIS, qo'vaD yuQ tujchoHghach qImmoH 'e'
>> nIDtaH. Soch latlh 'ujmey 'abchoHchugh bIQ'a', malDIv SoDchu'.
>>
>
> malDIv Dab qa'naDa'ngan 'orwI' law'.
>
>
qatlh? Hujlaw'.
bI'reng
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Qov <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca" target=3D"_blank=
">robyn@flyingstart.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex">
"He resigned for blah blah, says person," is pretty standard Engl=
ish journalese, but I find it weird having an emphatic ghaH before I even k=
now who is being referred to. I would much prefer:<br>
<br>
vay tlhachmey 'e' botmeH, pajpu' malDIV DevwI'quv, mo'a=
meD naSID, ja' ghaH.<div><br></div></blockquote><div><br>bIlugh. mu'=
;tlheghlIj Qap law', mu'tlheghwIj Qap puS.<br><br>=A0</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
DaH lut pIm ja'taH.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
DaH lut pIm Daja'taH'a'? =A0DaH lut pIm ja' mo'ameD. mo=
'ameD Daqelchugh, nungbogh mu'tlheghvaD poH ngu'wI' vIchup.=
<br></blockquote><div><br>This is a problem I've run into often. It'=
;s easy to say something like {wa'leS}, but a lot harder to say somethi=
ng like "one day after that" succinctly. I also want to avoid wor=
ds like {wa'leS}, because they won't be accurate a year from now. I=
haven't found good strategies for expressing time, so I try to avoid i=
t (which makes writing about current events difficult).<br>
<br>chaq {lutDaj choHpu' naSID} vIja'chugh, qaq. vaj...<br>- pajpu&=
#39;DI' malDIV DevwI'quv, mo'ameD naSID, vay tlhachmey 'e&#=
39; botmeH pajpu' ja'. lutDaj choHpu' naSID.=A0<br><br><br></di=
v>
<div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt=
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
cha'DIchDaj, mo'ameD wa'ID 'aSan manIq, pum naSID; qIQ nabm=
eH yeqlaw'pu' yaSpu', ghaH je. pumvam tem 'aSan, 'ach D=
evwI'quv gheSpu'.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
'Iq mo'ameDpu'.<br><div></div></blockquote><div><br>'ej =
9;IQ wa'.<br>=A0<br></div><div><br>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,=
204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
DIS cha'SaD chorgh, DevwI'quv mojta' naSID. mawmun 'abDul g=
hayum cho'pu'. qaStaHvIS wejmaH DISmey, HI' Dapu' ghayum, &=
#39;ach naSID luwIvtaHvIS rewbe'pu', may mIw. qum DevtaHvIS, qo'=
;vaD yuQ tujchoHghach qImmoH 'e' nIDtaH. Soch latlh 'ujmey '=
;abchoHchugh bIQ'a', malDIv SoDchu'.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
malDIv Dab qa'naDa'ngan 'orwI' law'.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br>qatlh? Hujlaw'.<br><br>bI'reng<br></div><=
/div>
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