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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' wa'vatlh loSmaH Hut:
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (ghunchu'wI' 'utlh)
Fri Feb 24 16:58:56 2012
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20120208150715.048b3070@flyingstart.ca>
From: "ghunchu'wI' 'utlh" <qunchuy@alcaco.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:58:12 -0500
To: Klingon language email discussion forum <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Qov <robyn@flyingstart.ca> wrote:
> HungpInvaD jatlh Mahoun, "Mossam," <ghoghoS> 'oSmeH nItlhDu' lo'. jangDI'
HungpIn Hagh Mahoun. QIjmeH jatlh, "Durur. jatlh <bISumqu' nuHwIj Dabot,
qaH>."
<-chugh> chagh
ghIq HIvbe'mo' Mossam rurchu'be'.
> HungpInvaD yel Hol jatlh Mahoun. loQ mon HungpIn. SaHchuqlaw' HoD HungpIn
je.
> "banglI' ghaH'a'?" jatlh 'eSSIm. Mossam HoHrup 'eSSIm ghop.
reH Suvrup SuvwI''a'.
> "ghobe'," jatlh Mahoun. "pImlaw' tIghmeymaj. parmaqqay ghajchugh
yelwIyyItngan, latlh ngaghbe'. latlh ngaghchugh bang, qay'." loQ jej Mahoun
ghogh.
qunlaw'.
> jatlh 'eSSIm, "maHun, qechvetlh vIyajchu'. tlhIngan maghpu'chugh bang,
pIj maghwI' HoH latlh. qamaghbe'pu'. bIjatlhta' <maHvaD qItbe' parmaq.
matay'laHbe'taH.>. choyajHa'pu''a'?"
> "loQ," jatlh Mahoun.
yajHa'pu' Mahoun, chay' 'e' SovlaH? <qayajHa'pu''a'> DaghItlhHa''a'?
> Ho'Du' 'ang 'eSSIm, "qamaghta' jIH 'e' Dapum'a'?" Dujmo' vaH chIm SIchmeH
vIHchoH 'eSSIm ghop. lubejtaHmo' Hung yaSpu'. yIvbeHDaj lIS 'ej vaH Hotbe'.
tuH Daqonchu'.
> jatlh Mahoun, "qapumbe'. jImIS neH. choSaHbej'a'?"
> "HIja'," jatlh 'eSSIm. "cholajHa'ta'DI' chotungmoHmo' latlh vIngaghta'.
qamaS. matay'qa' vIneH. DuH'a'?"
QaQ straightforwardness.
> jatlh Mahoun, "napHa'qu' ghu'. DIvI' ghoqwI' jIHtaH 'e' DaHar'a'?"
> ngoDmeyqoqDaj, vajar QIn je qawtaH 'eSSIm. teHpu' Sotlaw'. teHpu'
tlhIngan bIghHa'. chaq teH lut naQ. jatlh, "not yuQjIjDIvI' Datoy'pu''a'?"
> jatlh Mahoun, "wa'maH wej ben jIboghpu'DI' DIvI' malja' vItoy'choHpu'
'ach not ghoqwI' jIH! vergh ravmey vISay'moHtaH."
It took real effort to figure out that you didn't mean "Thirteen years ago,
when I was born..." I think this would need to use a different idiom:
"after I had suffered thirteen years" or "when I was a thirteen year
youngster" or something.
> "yIQIj," jatlh 'eSSIm. DIvI' qangwI' ghaHlaw'taH.
rapbe' DIvI' malja' DIvI' QI' DIvI' qum je, 'e' Sovbe''a' 'eSSIm?
> jatlh Mahoun, "yuQwIjDaq Dujmey DIchenmoHmeH nuboQpu' DIvI'. SepwIjDaq
Saq yotlh luchenmoHmeH jIjlI' yelwIyyItngan malja', DIvI' malja' je.
{Saq} is only a verb, isn't it? {Saqjan} is a noun, but I don't remember
{Saq} by itself having been defined or used as "landing".
> DIvI'vaD HattaHmo' toy'wI''a'pu', vergh Say'moHwI' luDIllI'.
vum qama' 'e' raD DIvI' 'e' vISIv.
> vergh ravmey vISay'moHtaH ghIq 'op Dujmey rav vISay'choHmoHmo' HoDpu'
vIqIHpu' 'ej logh tepqengwI'Daq jIvumchoH.
You probably should use {tongDuj} instead of {tepqengwI'}. (If I were
reading with less of a delay, my earlier comments would likely have
influenced this already.)
> loghDaq machIjmeH, tepqengwI'majDaq toy'taH Human HoD. ghaytan ghaHmo'
nupIHpu' tlhInganpu' 'ej nujonta'. DIvI' QI' toy'be' HoD. chIjmeH mIwmey
ghojmoHtaH neH. jIH mughojqangmoH je. boQqangqu'. chep yelwIyyItnganpu'
neHlaw'pu'.
Even without {'e'}, I think the prohibition against aspect suffixes on the
second verb of a SAO applies to {neH}. It strikes me as wrong when I read
it, anyway.
> wIjonlu'pu'DI' not vIleghqa'pu'. Dujvetlh yaSpu' tlhabmoHbe'law'pu'
tlhInganpu'."
tlhIngan par, ghaytan 'e' qawchoH.
> yev Mahoun 'ej 'eSSIm pumqu' mInDuDaj.
Dach mInDu' qaghwI'.
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<p>On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Qov <<a href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingst=
art.ca">robyn@flyingstart.ca</a>> wrote:<br>> HungpInvaD jatlh Mahoun=
, "Mossam," <ghoghoS> 'oSmeH nItlhDu' lo'. jang=
DI' HungpIn Hagh Mahoun. QIjmeH jatlh, "Durur. jatlh <bISumqu&#=
39; nuHwIj Dabot, qaH>." </p>
<p><-chugh> chagh</p>
<p>ghIq HIvbe'mo' Mossam rurchu'be'.</p>
<p>> HungpInvaD yel Hol jatlh Mahoun. loQ mon HungpIn. SaHchuqlaw' H=
oD HungpIn je.<br>> "banglI' ghaH'a'?" jatlh '=
eSSIm. Mossam HoHrup 'eSSIm ghop.</p>
<p>reH Suvrup SuvwI''a'.</p>
<p>> "ghobe'," jatlh Mahoun. "pImlaw' tIghmeymaj.=
parmaqqay ghajchugh yelwIyyItngan, latlh ngaghbe'. latlh ngaghchugh ba=
ng, qay'." loQ jej Mahoun ghogh.</p>
<p>qunlaw'.</p>
<p>> jatlh 'eSSIm, "maHun, qechvetlh vIyajchu'. tlhIngan ma=
ghpu'chugh bang, pIj maghwI' HoH latlh. qamaghbe'pu'. bIjat=
lhta' <maHvaD qItbe' parmaq. matay'laHbe'taH.>. choya=
jHa'pu''a'?"<br>
> "loQ," jatlh Mahoun.</p>
<p>yajHa'pu' Mahoun, chay' 'e' SovlaH? <qayajHa'=
pu''a'> DaghItlhHa''a'?</p>
<p>> Ho'Du' 'ang 'eSSIm, "qamaghta' jIH 'e&=
#39; Dapum'a'?" Dujmo' vaH chIm SIchmeH vIHchoH 'eSSIm=
ghop. lubejtaHmo' Hung yaSpu'. yIvbeHDaj lIS 'ej vaH Hotbe'=
;.</p>
<p>tuH Daqonchu'. </p>
<p>> jatlh Mahoun, "qapumbe'. jImIS neH. choSaHbej'a'?&=
quot;<br>> "HIja'," jatlh 'eSSIm. "cholajHa't=
a'DI' chotungmoHmo' latlh vIngaghta'. qamaS. matay'qa&#=
39; vIneH. DuH'a'?"</p>
<p>QaQ straightforwardness.</p>
<p>> jatlh Mahoun, "napHa'qu' ghu'. DIvI' ghoqwI=
9; jIHtaH 'e' DaHar'a'?"<br>> ngoDmeyqoqDaj, vajar =
QIn je qawtaH 'eSSIm. teHpu' Sotlaw'. teHpu' tlhIngan bIghH=
a'. chaq teH lut naQ. jatlh, "not yuQjIjDIvI' Datoy'pu'=
;'a'?"<br>
> jatlh Mahoun, "wa'maH wej ben jIboghpu'DI' DIvI' =
malja' vItoy'choHpu' 'ach not ghoqwI' jIH! vergh ravmey=
vISay'moHtaH."</p>
<p>It took real effort to figure out that you didn't mean "Thirtee=
n years ago, when I was born..." I think this would need to use a diff=
erent idiom: "after I had suffered thirteen years" or "when =
I was a thirteen year youngster" or something.</p>
<p>> "yIQIj," jatlh 'eSSIm. DIvI' qangwI' ghaHlaw&=
#39;taH.</p>
<p>rapbe' DIvI' malja' DIvI' QI' DIvI' qum je, '=
;e' Sovbe''a' 'eSSIm?</p>
<p>> jatlh Mahoun, "yuQwIjDaq Dujmey DIchenmoHmeH nuboQpu' DIvI=
'. SepwIjDaq Saq yotlh luchenmoHmeH jIjlI' yelwIyyItngan malja'=
, DIvI' malja' je. </p>
<p>{Saq} is only a verb, isn't it? {Saqjan} is a noun, but I don't =
remember {Saq} by itself having been defined or used as "landing"=
.</p>
<p>> DIvI'vaD HattaHmo' toy'wI''a'pu', vergh=
Say'moHwI' luDIllI'. </p>
<p>vum qama' 'e' raD DIvI' 'e' vISIv.</p>
<p>> vergh ravmey vISay'moHtaH ghIq 'op Dujmey rav vISay'cho=
HmoHmo' HoDpu' vIqIHpu' 'ej logh tepqengwI'Daq jIvumcho=
H.</p>
<p>You probably should use {tongDuj} instead of {tepqengwI'}. (If I wer=
e reading with less of a delay, my earlier comments would likely have influ=
enced this already.)</p>
<p>> loghDaq machIjmeH, tepqengwI'majDaq toy'taH Human HoD. ghay=
tan ghaHmo' nupIHpu' tlhInganpu' 'ej nujonta'. DIvI'=
; QI' toy'be' HoD. chIjmeH mIwmey ghojmoHtaH neH. jIH mughojqan=
gmoH je. boQqangqu'. chep yelwIyyItnganpu' neHlaw'pu'. </p>
<p>Even without {'e'}, I think the prohibition against aspect suffi=
xes on the second verb of a SAO applies to {neH}. It strikes me as wrong wh=
en I read it, anyway.</p>
<p>> wIjonlu'pu'DI' not vIleghqa'pu'. Dujvetlh yaSpu=
' tlhabmoHbe'law'pu' tlhInganpu'."</p>
<p>tlhIngan par, ghaytan 'e' qawchoH.</p>
<p>> yev Mahoun 'ej 'eSSIm pumqu' mInDuDaj.</p>
<p>Dach mInDu' qaghwI'.</p>
<p>-- ghunchu'wI'</p>
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