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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Type 7 verb suffixes (was Re: nuq bop bom: 'ay'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (De'vID jonpIn)
Sat Feb 11 02:54:50 2012
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:54:36 +0100
From: "De'vID jonpIn" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>
To: tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org
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SuStel:
>>> I'm not just talking about the verb inflection here; you have to
consider the
>>> manner in which you would use the sentence.
ghunchu'wI':
>> The manner in which *I* would use the sentence is exactly parallel to my
use of
>> the sentences "I eat" and "I will eat". When I say "I ate", I'm not
trying to imply
>> completion. I'm just expressing past tense. You obviously would use the
sentence
>> differently, but that doesn't make my use incorrect.
maQochlaw' SuStel jIH je ('ej maQochbe'law' ghunchu'wI' jIH je).
{Sop} wIqelDI' jaS wIQublaw'mo' maQoch.
nuq 'oS {Sop}?
'uQ SoplaH vay'. to'baj 'uS lughoDlu'bogh SoplaH vay'. Ho'Du'Daq to'baj
'uSHom lughoDlu'bogh SoplaH vay'. qar'a'?
nujDaq vay' lan. chaq yIv. ghIq ghup. Sop rIntaH, qar'a'? nay' naQ
'oHnISbe' vay''e'.
SuStel:
>>> So no, if you just had one bite of an apple, you wouldn't subsequently
inform
>>> someone "I ate." That is used to indicate you've eaten to your
satisfaction. You
>>> might say "I ate a piece of apple," but not "I ate."
ghunchu'wI':
>> You're wrong. I WOULD say "I ate" in that context. When I use the verb
>> "to eat" I do not necessarily mean to imply a meal, or even a
>> satisfying snack.
SuStel:
> It's not "to eat," it's the exact sentence "I ate." That sentence, and no
other forms, inflections, or words.
>
> Prince: Did you take a bite out of this apple?
> Snow White: Yes, I ate.
>
> She wouldn't say that!
loDHomvaD raSDaq naH jengva' lan SoSDaj. jatlh SoS, <DaH Qu'Hom vIchavmeH
jImej. jIcheghDI' naH DaSopnISta'.> jang loDHom, jatlh, <lu', qaH!>
mejpu'DI' SoS, loQ naH chop loDHom 'ej ghup. cha'logh chop 'ej ghup.
wejlogh chop 'ej ghup. Soj mumDI' par. nujvo' ratlhwI' tlhIS. jengva'vo'
veQDaq Soj woD.
chegh SoSDaj. ghaHvaD ghel, <bISop'a'?>
chay' jang loDHom? jatlh, <HIja', jISop.>
jangDI' loDHom, lugh'a'? vIt'a'? Sop, 'ach Hoch Sopbe'. Sop rIntaH, 'ach
Hoch Sop rIntaHbe'.*
* - {rIntaHbe'} vIlo'laH'a'? {rInbe'taH} 'oH'a'?
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<p>SuStel:<br>
>>> I'm not just talking about the verb inflection here; you h=
ave to consider the<br>
>>> manner in which you would use the sentence.</p>
<p>ghunchu'wI':<br>
>> The manner in which *I* would use the sentence is exactly parallel=
to my use of<br>
>> the sentences "I eat" and "I will eat". When I=
say "I ate", I'm not trying to imply<br>
>> completion. I'm just expressing past tense. You obviously woul=
d use the sentence<br>
>> differently, but that doesn't make my use incorrect.</p>
<p>maQochlaw' SuStel jIH je ('ej maQochbe'law' ghunchu'=
wI' jIH je).</p>
<p>{Sop} wIqelDI' jaS wIQublaw'mo' maQoch.</p>
<p>nuq 'oS {Sop}?=A0 </p>
<p>'uQ SoplaH vay'.=A0 to'baj 'uS lughoDlu'bogh SoplaH =
vay'.=A0 Ho'Du'Daq to'baj 'uSHom lughoDlu'bogh Sopl=
aH vay'.=A0 qar'a'?</p>
<p>nujDaq vay' lan.=A0 chaq yIv.=A0 ghIq ghup.=A0 Sop rIntaH, qar'a=
'?=A0 nay' naQ 'oHnISbe' vay''e'.</p>
<p>SuStel:<br>
>>> So no, if you just had one bite of an apple, you wouldn't =
subsequently inform<br>
>>> someone "I ate." That is used to indicate you've=
eaten to your satisfaction. You<br>
>>> might say "I ate a piece of apple," but not "I =
ate."</p>
<p>ghunchu'wI':<br>
>> You're wrong. I WOULD say "I ate" in that context. W=
hen I use the verb<br>
>> "to eat" I do not necessarily mean to imply a meal, or e=
ven a<br>
>> satisfying snack.</p>
<p>SuStel:<br>
> It's not "to eat," it's the exact sentence "I a=
te." That sentence, and no other forms, inflections, or words.<br>
><br>
> Prince: Did you take a bite out of this apple?<br>
> Snow White: Yes, I ate.<br>
><br>
> She wouldn't say that!</p>
<p>loDHomvaD raSDaq naH jengva' lan SoSDaj.=A0 jatlh SoS, <DaH Qu=
9;Hom vIchavmeH jImej.=A0 jIcheghDI' naH DaSopnISta'.> jang loDH=
om, jatlh, <lu', qaH!></p>
<p>mejpu'DI' SoS, loQ naH chop loDHom 'ej ghup.=A0 cha'logh=
chop 'ej ghup.=A0 wejlogh chop 'ej ghup.=A0 Soj mumDI' par.=A0=
nujvo' ratlhwI' tlhIS.=A0 jengva'vo' veQDaq Soj woD.</p>
<p>chegh SoSDaj.=A0 ghaHvaD ghel, <bISop'a'?></p>
<p>chay' jang loDHom?=A0 jatlh, <HIja', jISop.></p>
<p>jangDI' loDHom, lugh'a'?=A0 vIt'a'?=A0 Sop, 'ach=
Hoch Sopbe'.=A0 Sop rIntaH, 'ach Hoch Sop rIntaHbe'.*</p>
<p>* - {rIntaHbe'} vIlo'laH'a'?=A0 {rInbe'taH} 'oH&=
#39;a'?</p>
<p>--<br>
De'vID</p>
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