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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Vocabulary Sources & Sort Order
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qurgh lungqIj)
Tue Jan 31 12:38:33 2012
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From: qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net>
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:37:50 -0500
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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For my sorting algorithm, I actually converted the words to unicode pIqaD
first, stored that string and then used it to sort the dictionary. During
that process I convert the letters to single characters and then convert
those single characters into pIqaD.
I have this whole process automated, so if you have your dictionary in an
spreadsheet or database I can probably do the whole pIqaD conversion
process for you.
qurgh
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Qov <robyn@flyingstart.ca> wrote:
> I'm in the course of doing something that every Klingonist should do, but
> that I admit to having never done: typing out all the vocabulary.
>
> I started (most of you know this story) with a first printing, first
> edition of TKD that I wanted to keep nice, so I memorized the vocabulary in
> order to avoid over-thumbing it. I bought the second edition, and
> subsequent Okrand works, but I tried to learn each new word as it came out,
> and then used ter'eS's wonderful KLIflash tool for cementing my vocabulary.
> In recent years my command of the vocabulary has dropped specifically
> because when DOS stopped being accessible on Windowns machines, I could no
> longer use KLIflash. I've finally started the project that everyone else
> did fifteen years ago. It's easy going because I do know the vocabulary, so
> don't have to type the words letter-by-letter like a beginner would. I'm
> enjoying the review and am still being occasionally surprised by reminders
> like, "oh, laj is a noun, too."
>
> I'm just starting the v's in KGT and the thing that made me write this
> post is the amusement that as I get to words like vaH in KGT, or even ghoch
> in the TKD appendix, I say, "wait, no, this is original vocabulary" and go
> back and confirm that it's an original TKD word. I think it's funny that my
> brain has saved when it learned the words along with the words. I think
> the language must be a different experience for everyone who never had to
> function in it without {'uch} and it will be a different experience again
> for those to come whose tlhIngan Hol has always been rich with food words,
> and always included words for "hole", "window" and "table." Now if only I
> had "bridge," the sort that goes over a river. not raghjaj 'oghlaHghachmaj!
>
> Speaking of creativity, when it comes to sorting lists in Klingon, let's
> see, if I substitute:
>
> ' --> z
> ch --> c
> gh --> f
> ng -->nx
> Q --> Qx
> tlh --> tx
>
> do the sort and then reverse the procedure, I think will get almost the
> correct sort order without losing information. A word like bot'eng would
> end up after botlh'eng, but I don't think there are any examples like that.
>
> I can't do tlh->tz, because then bot'eng becomes botzeng and botlh'eng
> becomes botzzeng and reversing the process gives either botlheng and
> botlh'eng or bot'eng and bot''eng.
>
> I suppose the safe option is to sub every single letter so that the 26
> Klingon ones become the 26 latin ones, in an order that subs the two and
> three letter combos (I don't care what we call them) first and then the
> undo needs to be in a calculated order, too. Someone must have this down to
> a science.
>
> - Qov
>
>
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For my sorting=C2=A0algorithm, I actually converted the words to unicode pI=
qaD first, stored that string and then used it to sort the dictionary. Duri=
ng that process I convert the letters to single characters and then convert=
those single characters into pIqaD.=C2=A0<div>
<br></div><div>I have this whole process automated, so if you have your dic=
tionary in an spreadsheet or database I can probably do the whole pIqaD con=
version process for you.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>qurgh<br><div><br><=
/div>
<div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Qov <=
span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca">robyn@flyingst=
art.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I'm in the course of doing something that every Klingonist should do, b=
ut that I admit to having never done: typing out all the vocabulary.<br>
<br>
I started (most of you know this story) with a first printing, first editio=
n of TKD that I wanted to keep nice, so I memorized the vocabulary in order=
to avoid over-thumbing it. I bought the second edition, and subsequent Okr=
and works, but I tried to learn each new word as it came out, and then used=
ter'eS's wonderful KLIflash tool for cementing my vocabulary. In r=
ecent years my command of the vocabulary has dropped specifically because w=
hen DOS stopped being accessible on Windowns machines, I could no longer us=
e KLIflash. =C2=A0I've finally started the project that everyone else d=
id fifteen years ago. It's easy going because I do know the vocabulary,=
so don't have to type the words letter-by-letter like a beginner would=
. I'm enjoying the review and am still being occasionally surprised by =
reminders like, "oh, laj is a noun, too."<br>
<br>
I'm just starting the v's in KGT and the thing that made me write t=
his post is the amusement that as I get to words like vaH in KGT, or even g=
hoch in the TKD appendix, I say, "wait, no, this is original vocabular=
y" and go back and confirm that it's an original TKD word. I think=
it's funny that my brain has saved when it learned the words along wit=
h the words. =C2=A0I think the language must be a different experience for =
everyone who never had to function in it without {'uch} and it will be =
a different experience again for those to come whose tlhIngan Hol has alway=
s been rich with food words, and always included words for "hole"=
, "window" and "table." Now if only I had "bridge,=
" the sort that goes over a river. not raghjaj 'oghlaHghachmaj!<br=
>
<br>
Speaking of creativity, when it comes to sorting lists in Klingon, let'=
s see, if I substitute:<br>
<br>
' --> z<br>
ch --> c<br>
gh --> f<br>
ng -->nx<br>
Q --> Qx<br>
tlh --> tx<br>
<br>
do the sort and then reverse the procedure, I think will get almost the cor=
rect sort order without losing information. A word like bot'eng would e=
nd up after botlh'eng, but I don't think there are any examples lik=
e that.<br>
<br>
I can't do tlh->tz, because then bot'eng becomes botzeng and bot=
lh'eng becomes botzzeng and reversing the process gives either botlheng=
and botlh'eng or bot'eng and bot''eng.<br>
<br>
I suppose the safe option is to sub every single letter so that the 26 Klin=
gon ones become the 26 latin ones, in an order that subs the two and three =
letter combos (I don't care what we call them) first and then the undo =
needs to be in a calculated order, too. Someone must have this down to a sc=
ience.<br>
<br>
- Qov<br>
<br>
<br>
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