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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] qIHpu'ghach wa'DIch: 'ay' cha'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Mon Jan 30 16:27:35 2012
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>, David Trimboli <david@trimboli.name>
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:27:06 +0000
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Good point, Robyn and David; -'a' and -Hom tend to be used when something is so different from what the stem describes that the stem nearly becomes inaccurate (but not quite). Otherwise, as David suggest, one can use adjectives.
Perhaps, then, a Borg Cube truly is a borgh ngogh'a', since it's not a brick or lump at all. [I still think the -'a' may be superfluous, though.]
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From: Robyn Stewart [robyn@flyingstart.ca]
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 21:26
To: David Trimboli
Cc: tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] qIHpu'ghach wa'DIch: 'ay' cha'
jIQochbe'. A betleH'a' is something that is like a betleH but of an importance or size that makes it hardly a betleH anymore.
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On 2012-01-30, at 11:52, David Trimboli <david@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 1/30/2012 2:36 PM, De'vID jonpIn wrote:
>>
>> loghaD:
>> > qeylIS betleH would probably be held as a betleH'a', but it's not
>> called qeylIS betleH'a'; it receives its grandeur from being prefixed by
>> "qeylIS". If you were to refer to qeylIS betleH'a', I'd assume you were
>> talking about the greatest of his many betleHmey.
>>
>> How would you interpret the following?
>> {qeylIS mIv'a'}
>> {qeylIS Daqtagh'a' DuQwI'Hommey}
>> {lopno' 'uQ'a'}
>>
>> I don't think {qeylIS betleH} is a {betleH'a'} merely by virtue of being
>> associated with Kahless, unless it was already considered a {betleH'a'}
>> by itself. Kahless can carry a {tajHom}, just like anybody else.
>
> {-'a'} and {-Hom} tend to be abused around here, much like {-ghach}. Avoid using them unless your usage is canonical, or if you know beyond a doubt that you've got it right. Otherwise, they're likely to be "hindsight suffixes": they make sense as a translation only if you know the original source text.
>
> I have no idea what a {betleH'a'} would be. It's not a {betleH}, and it's not just an "important {betleH}." If your meaning would be served by an adjectivally acting verb, it doesn't need {-'a'} or {-Hom}.
>
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