[91873] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Hoghvam qaSpu' 2012-01-24
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brent Kesler)
Thu Jan 26 13:13:42 2012
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20120125062825.03e44140@flyingstart.ca>
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:13:26 -0800
From: Brent Kesler <brent.of.all.people@gmail.com>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
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On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 6:40 AM, Qov <robyn@flyingstart.ca> wrote:
>
> wa''uy' 'ayaStannganpu' HoHta' 'oSman wo'. 'oSman wo' Qojbe'
>> 'ayaStannganpu', vaj wo' qIchpu' latlh qummey. batlhHa' vangta' wo' 'e'
>> luQub. qaSpu' HutmaH DISmey, 'ej QochtaH turIqya'=97'oSman wo' cho'wI' q=
um.
>> 'ayaStannganpu' HoHlu'meH ngoch ghajbe' wo' 'ej law'qu'be' HeghwI'pu' 'e=
'
>> qap turIqya'.
>>
>
> vISovbe'pu' lalDan 'oS'a' 'ayaStan? Segh 'oH? nugh? nuq?
Sep 'oStaH {'ayaStan}. DIvI' Hol lo'lu'chugh, "Armenia" 'oH pongDaj'e'.
"Armenians" 'oStaH {'ayaStannganpu'}. (chaq qaq {'ayaStanganpu'},
{vulqangan} rur.) qaSpu'pa' DIS chu', tera' SepmeyvaD tlhIngan Hol pongmey
vI'oghmeH, DIvI' Hol pongmey vIlo'. DaH latlh Hol pongmey vIlo', EuroTalk
rur. SepchajvaD "Hayastan" pongtaH "Armenians".
chut chu' lajta' vIraS yej'a'. wanI'meyvam temchugh vay', wa' DIS bIghHa'
>> DabnIS 'ej loSnetlh vaghSaD
>
> =AByuro=BB DeQmey jeghnIS.
>>
>
> Consider DIl and rup. I don't know that "surrender" works for "hand over
> [money]" in Klingon.
>
I wasn't sure about {jegh}, but I was confused about DIl, since the gloss
is "pay for". I thought I'd have to say something like {HeSDaj DIlmeH,
loSnetlh vaghSaD nobnIS}. Which works, but I was hoping for something
simpler.
I'm not sure how I'd fit the euro amount into {rup}. {ghaHvaD loSnetlh
vaghSaD =AByuro=BB DeQmey rup qum}?
turIqya' tuHmoHmeH chutvam 'oghlaw'ta' vIraS. pIj qaS'a'?
>
chaq. yurop SepjIjQa' muv neH turIqya', 'ach 'Islam pab turIqya'nganpu',
'ej 'Islam pabwI'pu' nubtaH vIraSnganpu' law'. vaj rut Qor cha' Sepmey
gharwI'pu'. muv turIqya' neH latlh Sepmey -- DoyIchlan, wo' tay',
'amerI'qa' je -- vaj QorDI', qabchoHbe'.
turIqya' nuQchugh vIraS, rut yuD, rut yuDHa'. turIqya' nuQmeH, chutvam
lajta' vIraS yej'a' 'e' vIHarbe'. qo' noH'a' cha'DIchmo', 'uy'pu'
HoHchu'chugh Sep, wanI'vetlh temlu' 'e' tuchnIS.
wej chut 'oH. lajta' yej'a', 'ach qI'nIS Sarqo'SIy DevwI'quv.
bI'reng
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 6:40 AM, Qov <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca" target=3D"_blank=
">robyn@flyingstart.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex">
<div><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
wa''uy' 'ayaStannganpu' HoHta' 'oSman wo'. =
'oSman wo' Qojbe' 'ayaStannganpu', vaj wo' qIchpu&#=
39; latlh qummey. batlhHa' vangta' wo' 'e' luQub. qaSpu=
' HutmaH DISmey, 'ej QochtaH turIqya'=97'oSman wo' cho&=
#39;wI' qum. 'ayaStannganpu' HoHlu'meH ngoch ghajbe' wo=
' 'ej law'qu'be' HeghwI'pu' 'e' qap tur=
Iqya'.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
vISovbe'pu' lalDan 'oS'a' 'ayaStan? Segh 'oH? n=
ugh? nuq?</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sep 'oStaH {'ayaStan}. DI=
vI' Hol lo'lu'chugh, "Armenia" 'oH pongDaj'e&=
#39;. "Armenians" 'oStaH {'ayaStannganpu'}. (chaq qaq=
{'ayaStanganpu'}, {vulqangan} rur.) qaSpu'pa' DIS chu'=
, tera' SepmeyvaD tlhIngan Hol pongmey vI'oghmeH, DIvI' Hol pon=
gmey vIlo'. DaH latlh Hol pongmey vIlo', EuroTalk rur. SepchajvaD &=
quot;Hayastan" pongtaH "Armenians".</div>
<div>=A0</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
chut chu' lajta' vIraS yej'a'. wanI'meyvam temchugh vay=
', wa' DIS bIghHa' DabnIS 'ej loSnetlh vaghSaD</blockquote>=
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
=AByuro=BB DeQmey jeghnIS.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Consider DIl and rup. =A0I don't know that "surrender" works =
for "hand over [money]" in Klingon.<br></blockquote><div><br></di=
v><div>I wasn't sure about {jegh}, but I was confused about DIl, since =
the gloss is "pay for". I thought I'd have to say something l=
ike {HeSDaj DIlmeH, loSnetlh vaghSaD nobnIS}. Which works, but I was hoping=
for something simpler.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I'm not sure how I'd fit the euro amount into {=
rup}. {ghaHvaD loSnetlh vaghSaD =AByuro=BB DeQmey rup qum}?</div><div>=A0</=
div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
turIqya' tuHmoHmeH chutvam 'oghlaw'ta' vIraS. pIj qaS'a=
'?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>chaq. yurop SepjIjQa' muv ne=
H turIqya', 'ach 'Islam pab turIqya'nganpu', 'ej &#=
39;Islam pabwI'pu' nubtaH vIraSnganpu' law'. vaj rut Qor ch=
a' Sepmey gharwI'pu'. muv turIqya' neH latlh Sepmey -- DoyI=
chlan, wo' tay', 'amerI'qa' je -- vaj QorDI', qabch=
oHbe'.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>turIqya' nuQchugh vIraS, rut yuD, rut yuDHa'. t=
urIqya' nuQmeH, chutvam lajta' vIraS yej'a' 'e' vIH=
arbe'. qo' noH'a' cha'DIchmo', 'uy'pu' =
HoHchu'chugh Sep, wanI'vetlh temlu' 'e' tuchnIS.=A0</di=
v>
<div><br></div><div>wej chut 'oH. lajta' yej'a', 'ach q=
I'nIS Sarqo'SIy DevwI'quv.</div><div><br></div><div>bI'reng=
</div></div>
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