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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Newbie question about vIneHbogh construction
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Wiechu)
Thu Jan 26 10:49:02 2012
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From: Wiechu <ddanecki@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:48:07 +0100
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tujangpu' 'e' vItlho'.
SuStel QIn vIlaDpu'DI' QaghwIj vIyaj.
wa' mu'tlheghDaq bogh neH latlh wot je vIlo' 'e' QaQbe' qech.
vIlatlhmeH cha' DuHmey vIlo'laH 'e' vIQub.
1) Qov DuH: Dochmey vIleghnISbogh.
2) loghaD DuH: vIleghmeH Dochmey vIneHbogh.
qatlh pong wot lo'taH SuStel, vIyajbe'.
nuQ SuQub ?
vIQos vIQaghchugh, taghwI' jIH.
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Wiechu
2012/1/25 Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
> FYI we have two examples of {neHbogh} in canon:
>
> vay' DaneHbogh yIchargh
> Conquer what you desire. TKW
>
> nuH DaneHbogh yIngu'!
> Which weapon do you want?
> ("Identify the weapon that you want!")
>
>
> --
> Voragh
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Philip Newton [mailto:philip.newton@gmail.com]
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 23:45, Wiechu <ddanecki@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I wan to say in Klingon: "Things I want to see" or "Things which I
> >> want to see"
> >>
> >> I came with this: Dochmey vIlegh vIneHbogh.
> >
> > Perhaps one way of looking at this is to remember that {Dochmey vIlegh
> > vIneH} is (as I understand it) two separate sentences: {Dochmey
> > vIlegh} and {vIneH}. With other verbs than {neH}, you need {'e'},
> > which makes this clearer - for example, "I see you eat gagh" would be
> > {qagh DaSop 'e' vIlegh} ("You eat gagh; I see that"). Translating that
> > as "I see you eat gagh" is idiomatically better English but doesn't
> > reflect the structure of the Klingon particularly well.
> >
> > So what you're wanting is to access something from the first sentence
> > *out of* the second sentence. I'm not sure whether that works -
> > {vIneHbogh} would probably either relativise its subject ("The I that
> > wants; I who want") or its objects, which I guess is {'e'}: "The fact
> > of 'I see things' that I want".
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Philip
>
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<div>tujangpu' 'e' vItlho'.</div><div><br></div><div>SuStel=
QIn vIlaDpu'DI' QaghwIj vIyaj.=A0</div><div><br></div><div>wa'=
mu'tlheghDaq bogh neH latlh wot je vIlo' 'e' QaQbe' qe=
ch.</div>
<div><br></div><div>vIlatlhmeH cha' DuHmey vIlo'laH 'e' vIQ=
ub.</div><div><br></div><div>1) Qov DuH: Dochmey vIleghnISbogh.</div><div><=
br></div><div>2) loghaD DuH: vIleghmeH Dochmey vIneHbogh.</div><div><br>
</div><div>qatlh pong wot lo'taH SuStel, vIyajbe'.=A0</div><div><br=
></div><div>nuQ SuQub ?</div><div><br></div><div>vIQos vIQaghchugh, taghwI&=
#39; jIH.</div><div><br></div><div><span style=3D"border-collapse:collapse;=
color:rgb(136,136,136)">--<br>
Wiechu</span><br>
<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2012/1/25 Steven Boozer <span dir=
=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu">sboozer@uchicago.edu</=
a>></span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
FYI we have two examples of {neHbogh} in canon:<br>
<br>
=A0vay' DaneHbogh yIchargh<br>
=A0Conquer what you desire. TKW<br>
<br>
=A0nuH DaneHbogh yIngu'!<br>
=A0Which weapon do you want?<br>
=A0("Identify the weapon that you want!")<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
--<br>
Voragh<br>
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons<br>
</font><div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Philip Newton [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:philip.newton@gmail.com"=
>philip.newton@gmail.com</a>]<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 23:45, Wiechu <<a href=3D"mailto:ddanecki@g=
mail.com">ddanecki@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> I wan to say in Klingon: "Things I want to see" or "=
;Things which I<br>
>> want to see"<br>
>><br>
>> I came with this: Dochmey vIlegh vIneHbogh.<br>
><br>
> Perhaps one way of looking at this is to remember that {Dochmey vIlegh=
<br>
> vIneH} is (as I understand it) two separate sentences: {Dochmey<br>
> vIlegh} and {vIneH}. With other verbs than {neH}, you need {'e'=
;},<br>
> which makes this clearer - for example, "I see you eat gagh"=
would be<br>
> {qagh DaSop 'e' vIlegh} ("You eat gagh; I see that")=
. Translating that<br>
> as "I see you eat gagh" is idiomatically better English but =
doesn't<br>
> reflect the structure of the Klingon particularly well.<br>
><br>
> So what you're wanting is to access something from the first sente=
nce<br>
> *out of* the second sentence. I'm not sure whether that works -<br=
>
> {vIneHbogh} would probably either relativise its subject ("The I =
that<br>
> wants; I who want") or its objects, which I guess is {'e'=
}: "The fact<br>
> of 'I see things' that I want".<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Philip<br>
<br>
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