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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Newbie question about vIneHbogh construction
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Wed Jan 25 10:27:48 2012
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:27:22 -0600
In-Reply-To: <CA+cwSm8f2X3waCPDjft2hRLg=hv+xB0yYrUpFG7Vzm6faEQUoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
FYI we have two examples of {neHbogh} in canon:
vay' DaneHbogh yIchargh
Conquer what you desire. TKW
nuH DaneHbogh yIngu'!
Which weapon do you want?
("Identify the weapon that you want!")
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip Newton [mailto:philip.newton@gmail.com]
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 23:45, Wiechu <ddanecki@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I wan to say in Klingon: "Things I want to see" or "Things which I
>> want to see"
>>
>> I came with this: Dochmey vIlegh vIneHbogh.
>
> Perhaps one way of looking at this is to remember that {Dochmey vIlegh
> vIneH} is (as I understand it) two separate sentences: {Dochmey
> vIlegh} and {vIneH}. With other verbs than {neH}, you need {'e'},
> which makes this clearer - for example, "I see you eat gagh" would be
> {qagh DaSop 'e' vIlegh} ("You eat gagh; I see that"). Translating that
> as "I see you eat gagh" is idiomatically better English but doesn't
> reflect the structure of the Klingon particularly well.
>
> So what you're wanting is to access something from the first sentence
> *out of* the second sentence. I'm not sure whether that works -
> {vIneHbogh} would probably either relativise its subject ("The I that
> wants; I who want") or its objects, which I guess is {'e'}: "The fact
> of 'I see things' that I want".
>
> Cheers,
> Philip
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