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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Beginner Story: nuq bop bom 76-78
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Wiechu)
Tue Jan 10 05:21:08 2012
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20120109172945.04695590@flyingstart.ca>
From: Wiechu <ddanecki@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:20:27 +0100
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
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> wa'maH Hut ben vajar HoD ghaH yaS wa'DIch vav'e'. (remember that vajar i=
s
> the name of the captain)
>
> nineteen years ago first officer's father was vajars captain. (I'm not
> entirely sure here)
>
>
> qatlh bISovbejbe'? bIlugh.
>
vIlaDta'DI' vIyajlaw'
> QongchoHpu'mo' neH DeghwI' bIj 'e' buQ.
>
> As helmsman has been only sleeping he threatens him that he'll punish him=
.
>
>
> tlhoS qar.
>
>
> (I'm not sure here about neH, I assume you use adv sense of that word, bu=
t
> shouldn't it be at the beginning then ? neH QongchoHpu'mo' DeghwI' bij 'e=
'
> buQ ?
>
>
> Most adverbs go at the beginning, but neH is one of those special adverbs
> that goes in a different place in the sentence. If it goes after a verb i=
t
> trivializes that verb "has merely fallen asleep".
>
> Also I'm not sure about -pu' in QongchoHpu'mo'. Qongpu'mo' seems to do th=
e
> job here. I might have decoded it incorrectly.
>
>
> Qongpu'mo' - has been sleeping, has slept
> QongchoHpu'mo' - has fallen asleep. You correctly got the "fallen asleep"
> idea from -choH in the next one, just not this one.
>
Here what I actually wanted to say is that I wasn't sure about -pu in
QongchoHpu'mo', then I gave incorrect example, silly me... :/
QongchoHmo' seemed to do the job but that would mean something more like as
he is merely falling asleep which isn't quite the same.
tlhoS Qong Hoch, qatlh DeghwI' bIj HoD ?
> 'Iv ghaH yaS wa'DIch vav'e'?
>
> qaw tlhIngan wo' 'e' HoD'e' noyqu' ghaH (I'm probably wrong here: He's th=
e
> most famous captain empire remembers.)
>
>
> Remember that the 'e' must represent the sentence before it, and that tha=
t
> sentence must be the object of the next sentence.
>
> Maybe:
>
> HoD noyqu' ghaH 'e' qaw tlhIngan wo' - The Empire remembers that he is a
> very famous captain.
>
> You can learn a special new construction: law'/puS.
>
> HoDvam noy law' Hoch noy puS - this captain is the most famous of all
>
It's not quite what I wanted to say but I suppose there's no other way to
say it.
> poS Hu' ghIlghameS vIHev. vIlaD 'e' vInab. ngeD mu'tay' 'e' vIQoy.
> DaleDpu''a' ?
>
>
> I think you made a typing error here. Did you mean loSHu' - four days ago=
?
> wej paqvetlh vIghaj jIH. chaq vIje'.
>
> Actually I wanted to say few days ago: Hu' puS ? Hu' (n) days ago puS (v=
)
be few. Hu' puS =3D few days ago ?
pIqaD vIghojtaH, DaSov'a' ? DaghItlh'a' ?
=EF=A3=93=EF=A3=90=EF=A3=99=EF=A3=94=EF=A3=95=EF=A3=A9=EF=A3=90=EF=A3=A9? (=
Dalegh'a' ?)
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Wiechu
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=
=3D"im"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><dl><dd>wa'maH Hut ben vajar HoD ghaH=
yaS wa'DIch vav'e'.=C2=A0 (remember
that vajar is the name of the captain)<br><br>
</dd></dl>nineteen years ago first officer's father was vajars captain.=
(I'm
not entirely sure here)=C2=A0 </blockquote><br></div>
qatlh bISovbejbe'?=C2=A0 bIlugh.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=
vIlaDta'DI' vIyajlaw'</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">
<div><div class=3D"im"></div><div class=3D"im">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<dl>
<dd>QongchoHpu'mo' neH DeghwI' bIj 'e' buQ.<br><br>
</dd></dl>As helmsman has been only sleeping he threatens him that he'l=
l
punish him. </blockquote><br></div>
tlhoS qar.<div class=3D"im"><br><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">(I'm not sure here about neH, I
assume you use adv sense of that word, but shouldn't it be at the
beginning then ? neH QongchoHpu'mo' DeghwI' bij 'e' buQ=
?
</blockquote><br></div>
Most adverbs go at the beginning, but neH is one of those special adverbs
that goes in a different place in the sentence. If it goes after a verb
it trivializes that verb "has merely fallen asleep". <br><div cla=
ss=3D"im"><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Also I'm not sure about -pu' in
QongchoHpu'mo'. Qongpu'mo' seems to do the job here. I migh=
t have decoded
it incorrectly.</blockquote><br></div>
Qongpu'mo' - has been sleeping, has slept<br>
QongchoHpu'mo' - has fallen asleep. You correctly got the "fal=
len
asleep" idea from -choH in the next one, just not this one.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0</div></blockquote><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Here what I actually wanted to =
say is that I wasn't sure about -pu in QongchoHpu'mo', then I g=
ave incorrect example, silly me... :/=C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>QongchoHmo' seemed to do the job but that would mea=
n something more like as he is merely falling asleep which isn't quite =
the same.=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>tlhoS Qong Hoch, qatlh DeghwI=
9; bIj HoD ?</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"im"><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite">=C2=A0'Iv ghaH yaS wa'DIch
vav'e'?<br>
<dl><br>
</dl>qaw tlhIngan wo' 'e' HoD'e' noyqu' ghaH (I'=
;m probably wrong here:
He's the most famous captain empire remembers.)</blockquote><br></div>
Remember that the 'e' must represent the sentence before it, and th=
at
that sentence must be the object of the=C2=A0 next sentence. <br><br>
Maybe:<br><br>
HoD noyqu' ghaH 'e' qaw tlhIngan wo' - The Empire remembers=
that he is a
very famous captain.<br><br>
You can learn a special new construction: law'/puS. <br><br>
HoDvam noy law' Hoch noy puS - this captain is the most famous of
all</div></blockquote><div>=C2=A0</div><div>It's not quite what I wante=
d to say but I suppose there's no other way to say it.</div><div>=C2=A0=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div class=3D"im">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">poS Hu' ghIlghameS vIHev. vIlaD
'e' vInab. ngeD mu'tay' 'e' vIQoy. DaleDpu''=
;a' ?</blockquote><br></div>
I think you made a typing error here. Did you mean loSHu' - four days
ago? wej paqvetlh vIghaj jIH. chaq vIje'.<br><font color=3D"#888888"><b=
r></font></div></blockquote><div>Actually I wanted to say few days ago: Hu&=
#39; puS ? Hu' (n) days ago =C2=A0puS (v) be few. =C2=A0Hu' puS =3D=
few days ago ?</div>
<div><br></div><div>pIqaD vIghojtaH, DaSov'a' ? DaghItlh'a'=
?</div><div><br></div><div>=EF=A3=93=EF=A3=90=EF=A3=99=EF=A3=94=EF=A3=95=
=EF=A3=A9=EF=A3=90=EF=A3=A9? (Dalegh'a' ?)</div><div><br></div><div=
><span style=3D"border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136)">--<br>
Wiechu</span><br>
<br></div></div><br>
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