[91448] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] EuroTalk word for "postcard"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Tue Dec 27 10:12:17 2011
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:11:58 -0600
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I'm late to the thread, but I know of only three canon sentences:
vaj toDDujDaj ngeHbej DIvI' =
That means the Federation will be sending a rescue ship of its own. ST5
nImbuS wejDaq 'ejDo' 'entepray' ngeHlu'pu' =
The starship Enterprise has been dispatched to Nimbus III. ST5
wanI'vam Dun luleghlaHmeH tlhIngan SuvwI' Duypu' bongeH 'e' lutul tera'ngan=
pu' =
We hope that you can send a delegation of honorable emissaries to witness t=
his glorious event. ('U'-Message to Kronos)
Are there any other examples in the {paq'batlh}?
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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From: De'vID jonpIn [mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com] =
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 1:38 AM
re: {ngeHmeH QIn nav}
De'vID:
> > I know the text was replaced so it doesn't really count as canon, but
> > presumably if a Klingon was asked to describe what a {QIn 'echletHom} is
> > rather than just name it, he'd say whatever the original text was, and
> > I'm curious as to whether it told us anything new about how {ngeH} is
> > used
QeS 'utlh:
> Not really. But I didn't think there was any real doubt? Doesn't it behave
> like {nob}? We have a canon example from the Message to Kronos:
>
> tlhIngan SuvwI' Duypu' bongeH 'e' lutul tera'nganpu'
> "[We] Terrans hope you will send Klingon warrior emissaries"
We have two canon examples for {ngeHbej} from Star Trek V... one of which m=
ean "cosmos". :-)
I was just curious as to whether {ngeH} can be used without an object.=A0 I=
n English, you can't say "he sends" without an object (he sends what?), alt=
hough you can say "he gives" without one (e.g., "he gives generously").=A0 =
How do Klingon {ngeH} and {nob} behave?
How do you parse {ngeHmeH QIn nav}?=A0 What's the subject of {ngeH} here?=
=A0 I suppose it has the same syntactical structure as {ghojmeH taj} or {So=
pmeH pa'} {HIjmeH chaw'} or {chenmoHlu'meH Daq}, none of which specify the =
subject or the object of the verb, in which case {ngeHmeH QIn nav} doesn't =
give us any information about the object of {ngeH} (and whether it can be n=
ull).=A0 OTOH I would've thought {ngeH} had to take an object (probably bec=
ause I'm influenced by the English "send"), and the fact that it wasn't *{Q=
In ngeHbej nav} may suggest that {ngeH}, unlike "send", can be used without=
an object.
--
De'vID
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