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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] how to use {nej}?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Mon Dec 5 10:33:36 2011
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:33:23 -0600
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20111204084721.053031f0@flyingstart.ca>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
ghItlhpu' De'vID, jatlh:
> How would I say, "Search for the targ in the forest", or "Search for
> the record in the data banks"?=A0 I presume the thing being searched for
> ({targh}, {ta}) is the object of {nej}, but how do I indicate the
> parameters of/restrictions on the search ({ngem}, {qawHaq})?
QeS 'utlh:: =
>Do you have a specific issue with {ngemDaq targh yInej} or {qawHaqDaq
>ta yInej}?
Gaerfindel:
>>My instinct is to go with {ngem yInej} for "Search (in) the forest," =
>>and {qawHaq nej} for "Search (in) the database." "Search the catalogue =
>>for the book," I'd render {mem yInej 'ej paq botu'}.
Qov:
>How then would you distinguish between "Search in the forest" and "Search =
for the forest"?
>
>I want the object of nej to always be the thing searched for, and have no =
problem with >specifying the search location (with -Daq) and omitting the s=
earch target.
lugh Qov QeS je. {ngemDaq yInej} "search (in) the forest!" (e.g. someone i=
s hiding in the forest) vs. {ngem yInej} "search for the forest" (e.g. Wher=
e the hell is it?! It's supposed to be around here somewhere! Does anybody=
have a map?)
Although it's never been used with a place stamp, in canon {nej} "look for,=
seek, search for" always has an object, either explicit or implied:
qanej =
I look for you. KLS
vInejqa' =
I am resuming the search. =
I am searching for him/her again. TKD
jagh luHoHmeH jagh lunejtaH =
They are searching for the enemy in order to kill him. =
In order to kill the enemy, they are searching for the enemy. TKD
'avwI' nejDI' narghta'bogh qama' reH 'avwI' Sambej =
When an escaped prisoner looks for a guard, he always finds one. TKW
Qov:
>On a related topic, I came to the chapter in my story where a character ge=
ts searched by a >security guard on the very same day that I was searched a=
t a TSA checkpoint. I promise the >story was planned for longer than the va=
cation. (Yeah, welcome to my life).
>
>nej is to search for something, so I rejected {vInejlu'} and {munej Hung y=
aS}.
>
>I used constructions like {jIHDaq nuHmey nej Hung} and {porghwIjDaq nejqu'=
yaS}, but I'm okay >with {nejwI'} and {nejwI' jan}. I think I used {woj ne=
jwI'} in a recent posting, which could >probably be better interpreted as a=
Geiger counter, but I expect in context it was understood >as shorthand fo=
r a {woj lo'bogh nuH nejwI'}.
As for "search/frisk (a person)" {jIHDaq nuHmey nej Hung} or {porghwIjDaq n=
ejqu' yaS} certainly fit in with what I said above, but they're a bit wordy=
. How about {nuD} "examine" (which has the virtue of never being used in c=
anon): {munuD Hung yaS}?
(BTW, is there a word for "airport" in the TalkNow! program?)
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
"Klingons don't allow themselves to be probed."
[Worf, TNG "Violations"]
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