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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Noun cases
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Tue Nov 29 04:12:36 2011
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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:12:19 +0100
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To: Lucifuge Rofocale <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk>
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But there is no such convention. And Klingon doesn't behave much
differently case-wise. The only moderately uncommon thing might be that the
topic/focus marker -'e' behaves like a case. That's not so weird.
So I don't quite see your point here. MO didn't break any convention,
because a) there is no such convention, and b) because Klingon cases behave
quite non-exotically.
On Nov 29, 2011 1:48 AM, "Lucifuge Rofocale" <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > Why would Klingon follow any sort of rules or models followed in Latin?
>
> My point exactly. MO may have created the structure of tlhIngan Hol nouns
> to deliberately break the convention that nouns have to have specific
> declensions into the cases listed here.
>
> > > > > Do you think that Marc Okrand may have deliberately designed the
> language to break the
> > > > > convention of noun cases?
>
>
> > > > What convention?
>
> > > The convention that nouns have to have recognisable declensions,
> following the model of Latin.
>
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<p>But there is no such convention. And Klingon doesn't behave much dif=
ferently case-wise. The only moderately uncommon thing might be that the to=
pic/focus marker -'e' behaves like a case. That's not so weird.=
</p>
<p>So I don't quite see your point here. MO didn't break any conven=
tion, because a) there is no such convention, and b) because Klingon cases =
behave quite non-exotically.</p>
<p>On Nov 29, 2011 1:48 AM, "Lucifuge Rofocale" <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk">fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br type=3D=
"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:garamond,ne=
w york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">> Why would Klingon follow any sort o=
f rules or models followed in Latin?<br><br>My point exactly. MO may have c=
reated the structure of tlhIngan Hol nouns to deliberately break the conven=
tion that nouns have to have specific declensions into the cases listed her=
e.<br>
<br><div><blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-l=
eft:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px"><div style=3D"font-family:garamond=
,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div style=3D"font-family:times new r=
oman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">
<div>> > > > Do you think that Marc Okrand may have deliberatel=
y designed the language to break the <br>> > > > convention of =
noun cases?<br><div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:garamond,ne=
w york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><br>> > > What convention?=
<br><br></div>> > The convention that nouns have to have recognisable=
declensions, following the model of Latin.<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div>
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