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[Tlhingan-hol] paq'batlh: SEEMINGLY ILLEGAL STRUCTURES
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Agnieszka Solska)
Sat Nov 26 17:18:11 2011
From: Agnieszka Solska <agnpau1@hotmail.com>
To: tlhIngan Hol <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>, tlhIngan Hol mailing list
<tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 22:17:45 +0000
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
1. N-suffix 5 N =
=A0=A0 The rule spelled out in TKD 3.4. is: "When the noun-noun constructio=
n is =
=A0=A0 used, only the second noun can take syntactic suffixes (Type 5)". =
=A0=A0 =
=A0=A0 In "paq'batlh" I found two fragments that go against this rule:
=A0
=A0=A0=A0 The Feast at Qam-Chee
=A0=A0=A0 qamchIyDaq 'uQ'a'
=A0=A0=A0 (pp 126-127)
=A0=A0=A0 "Return to the Saq'sub
=A0=A0=A0 SaqSubDaq chegh
=A0=A0=A0 (pp 118-119, 202-203) =
=A0=A0=A0 Assuming that here {chegh} does function as a noun.
2. V-suffix 9-jaj
=A0=A0 The rule spelled out in TKD 3.4. is: "When it (i.e. -jaj) is used, =
=A0=A0 there is never a Type 7 aspect suffix.". =
=A0=A0 We've seen many examples that go against this rule. "paq'batlh"
=A0=A0 contains (at least) two more:
=A0=A0 May it beat forever, anywhere.
=A0=A0 Hochlogh Dat joqtaHjaj
=A0=A0 (pp 102-103)
=A0=A0 Let endless battle and honor await him!
=A0=A0 reH batlh SuvtaHjaj ghaH
=A0=A0 (pp 186-187)
3. {vegh} in the sense of "traverse"
=A0=A0 According to HolQeD 6:3, pp. 5-8, the word only means to go through =
=A0=A0 an opening of some sort, such as an open door or a tunnel, and it =
=A0=A0 explicitly does not mean "to traverse" so, for instance, it cannot =
=A0=A0 be used to=A0 translate such sentences as "A woman goes through a fo=
rest." =
=A0=A0=A0 =
=A0=A0 In "paq'batlh" there is a sentence that does not follow this rule,
=A0=A0 unless we agree that the river flowing through Gre'thor may be=A0=A0=
=A0 =
=A0=A0 perceived as some kind of passageway:
=A0=A0 The barge went through Gre'thor =
=A0=A0 ghe'tor vegh Duj
=A0=A0 (pp 190-191)
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