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[Tlhingan-hol] STK: ro{b|v}aka {Dev[=De'?]wI'} zhonazhah
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Agnieszka Solska)
Sat Nov 19 09:04:12 2011
From: Agnieszka Solska <agnpau1@hotmail.com>
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Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:03:47 +0000
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>We have no idea what "rovaka" might be=2C=20
How about one of the following:
1. ra'bogh qa'=20
"the spirit that commands (the fire for inventing)"
or
2. Dabogh qa'
"the spirit that acts as (the fire for inventing)"
or even
3. tova' qa'
"the ?muse (of the fire for inventing)" where the {tova'} element=20
is the same as the first part of the compound noun {tova'Daq}=2C i.e.
"mindsharing=94
>and we have some theories about "zhonazhazh" but nothing definite.=20
It's probably more than one word=2C the possibilities including:
{Son/jon/chon/San/jan/chan} and {'oghjaj/'aghjaj/'oSjaj}
Assuming it's {'oghjaj} or {'aghjaj}=2C {Dev[=3DDe'?]wI'} zhonazhah} could =
be:
4. DevwI' chon 'oghjaj/'aghjaj
"May it invent/display a leader's/leaders' hunt"=20
5. DevwI' jan 'oghjaj/'aghjaj
"May it invent/display a computer device"=20
6. DevwI' San 'oghjaj/'aghjaj
"May it invent/display a leader's/leaders' fate"=20
7. De' wIy jan 'oghjaj/'aghjaj
"May it invent/display an information tactical display device"
However=2C the subject of the verb {'aghjaj} could also be the next word(s)=
=2C
i.e. {?guib lo...}
>I think the second line begins in <Q> for sure=3B O'Reilly pronounces <Qa'=
Hom>=20
>like "gwaaahom"=2C so "gwee" is almost certainly <QI>. He sounds like he's=
=20
>saying "gweev" <QIv?>.=20
Or {qIb} - "galaxy"=2C followed by {lo'} or {logh}. Putting it all together=
the line could=20
also be:
8. DevwI' chon 'aghjaj qIb (logh)
"May the (space of the) galaxy display a leader's/leaders' hunt"=20
9. DevwI' jan 'aghjaj qIb (logh)
"May the (space of the) galaxy display a computer device"=20
10. DevwI' San 'aghjaj qIb (logh)
"May the (space of the) galaxy display a leader's/leaders' fate"=20
11. De' wIy jan 'aghjaj qIb (logh)
"May the (space of the) galaxy display an information tactical display=
device"
The problem is that interpretations 8 - 11 seem closest in meaning to "A ki=
ngdom=20
for a stage"=2C which comes later in the original text.
Assuming the verb which appears in the line under consideration is {'oSjaj}=
=20
followed by {qIb lo'}=2C the line could also be:
12. DevwI' chon 'oSjaj qIb (lo')
"May the (use of the) galaxy represent a leader's/leaders' hunt"=20
13. DevwI' jan 'oSjaj qIb (lo')
"May the (use of the) galaxy represent a computer device"=20
14. DevwI' San 'oghjaj qIb (lo')
"May the (use of the) galaxy represent a leader's/leaders' fate"=20
15. De' wIy jan 'oghjaj qIb (lo')
"May the (use of the) galaxy represent an information tactical display=
device"
Obviously {qIb} and {lo'} could simply mean "It (i.e. the {qa'}) uses the g=
alaxy".
Alternatively {qIb} and {lo'/logh} could belong with the fragment that foll=
ows.=20
'ISqu'
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>=3BWe have no idea what "rovaka" might be=2C <br><br>How about one of th=
e following:<br><br>1. =3B =3B ra'bogh qa' <br> =3B =3B&nbs=
p=3B "the spirit that commands (the fire for inventing)"<br><br>or<br><br>2=
. =3B =3B Dabogh qa'<br> =3B =3B =3B "the spirit that a=
cts as (the fire for inventing)"<br><br>or even<br><br>3. =3B =3B t=
ova' qa'<br> =3B =3B =3B "the ?muse (of the fire for inventing)=
" where the {tova'} element <br> =3B =3B =3B =3B is the sam=
e as the first part of the compound noun {tova'Daq}=2C i.e.<br> =3B&nbs=
p=3B =3B =3B "mindsharing=94<br><br>>=3Band we have some theories=
about "zhonazhazh" but nothing definite. <br><br>It's probably more than o=
ne word=2C the possibilities including:<br><br> =3B =3B =3B {So=
n/jon/chon/San/jan/chan} and {'oghjaj/'aghjaj/'oSjaj}<br><br>Assuming it's =
{'oghjaj} or {'aghjaj}=2C {Dev[=3DDe'?]wI'} zhonazhah} could be:<br><br>4.&=
nbsp=3B =3B DevwI' chon 'oghjaj/'aghjaj<br> =3B =3B =3B&nbs=
p=3B "May it invent/display a leader's/leaders' hunt" <br><br>5. =3B&nb=
sp=3B DevwI' jan 'oghjaj/'aghjaj<br> =3B =3B =3B =3B "May i=
t invent/display a computer device" <br><br>6. =3B =3B DevwI' San '=
oghjaj/'aghjaj<br> =3B =3B =3B =3B "May it invent/display a=
leader's/leaders' fate" <br><br>7. =3B =3B De' wIy jan 'oghjaj/'ag=
hjaj<br> =3B =3B =3B =3B "May it invent/display an informat=
ion tactical display device"<br><br>However=2C the subject of the verb {'ag=
hjaj} could also be the next word(s)=2C<br>i.e. {?guib lo...}<br><br>>=3B=
I think the second line begins in <=3BQ>=3B for sure=3B O'Reilly pronou=
nces <=3BQa'Hom>=3B <br>>=3Blike "gwaaahom"=2C so "gwee" is almost ce=
rtainly <=3BQI>=3B. He sounds like he's <br>>=3Bsaying "gweev" <=3B=
QIv?>=3B. <br><br>Or {qIb} - "galaxy"=2C followed by {lo'} or {logh}. Put=
ting it all together the line could <br>also be:<br><br>8. =3B =3B =
DevwI' chon 'aghjaj qIb (logh)<br> =3B =3B =3B =3B "May the=
(space of the) galaxy display a leader's/leaders' hunt" <br><br>9. =3B=
 =3B DevwI' jan 'aghjaj qIb (logh)<br> =3B =3B =3B =3B =
"May the (space of the) galaxy display a computer device" <br><br>10. =
=3B =3B DevwI' San 'aghjaj qIb (logh)<br> =3B =3B =3B =
=3B "May the (space of the) galaxy display a leader's/leaders' fate" <br><b=
r>11. =3B =3B De' wIy jan 'aghjaj qIb (logh)<br> =3B =3B&nb=
sp=3B =3B "May the (space of the) galaxy display an information tactica=
l display device"<br><br>The problem is that interpretations 8 - 11 seem cl=
osest in meaning to "A kingdom <br>for a stage"=2C which comes later in the=
original text.<br><br>Assuming the verb which appears in the line under co=
nsideration is {'oSjaj} <br>followed by {qIb lo'}=2C the line could also be=
:<br><br>12. =3B =3B DevwI' chon 'oSjaj qIb (lo')<br> =3B =
=3B =3B =3B "May the (use of the) galaxy represent a leader's/leade=
rs' hunt" <br><br>13. =3B =3B DevwI' jan 'oSjaj qIb (lo')<br> =
=3B =3B =3B =3B "May the (use of the) galaxy represent a comput=
er device" <br><br>14. =3B =3B DevwI' San 'oghjaj qIb (lo')<br>&nbs=
p=3B =3B =3B =3B "May the (use of the) galaxy represent a leade=
r's/leaders' fate" <br><br>15. =3B =3B De' wIy jan 'oghjaj qIb (lo'=
)<br> =3B =3B =3B =3B "May the (use of the) galaxy represen=
t an information tactical display device"<br><br>Obviously {qIb} and {lo'} =
could simply mean "It (i.e. the {qa'}) uses the galaxy".<br>Alternatively {=
qIb} and {lo'/logh} could belong with the fragment that follows. <br><br>'I=
Squ'<br><br> </div></body>
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