[90741] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay chorghmaH jav:
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Thu Nov 17 11:19:55 2011
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:19:40 -0600
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20111116151111.0532c268@flyingstart.ca>
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Qov:
> meH 'el ghutar, HobtaHvIS. DeghwI' yaH chIm leghDI' HoDDaq tlhe'.[40]
> ---
> [40] Is the locative -Daq okay here? I usually don't use it like
> this, but it doesn't have to be read as "turned to the captain."
> Pretty much any locative sense works: turned towards/at/to/in the
> direction of, so I think it's okay.
{tlhe'} "turn" has never been used in canon so we don't even know if it's transitive or intransitive. But WRT {-Daq} and "toward" we do have:
TKD 27f: There are a few verbs whose meanings include locative notions, such as {ghoS} "approach, proceed". The locative suffix need not be used on nouns which are the objects of such verbs:
{Duj ghoStaH} It is approaching the ship.
{yuQ wIghoStaH} We are proceeding toward the planet.
If the locative suffix is used with such verbs, the resulting sentence is somewhat redundant, but not out-and-out wrong:
{DujDaq ghoStaH} It is approaching toward the ship.
HQ 10.2:8: When used with nouns with the locative suffix {-Daq}, the finger verbs mean "point (with a specific finger) at or towards" ... For example, while {ghIchwIj vISIq} means "I touch my nose with my index finger" and {ghIchwIjDaq jISIq} means "I point at my nose with my index finger" ...
You may even need to say *{tlhe''egh} or *{tlhe''eghmoH} "turn (oneself)". IIRC we've never seen {-egh} used with a verb of motion, though this comes close to the idea of "turn oneself":
st.k 7/99: Though not common, it is also possible to use {tatlh} ["return (something)"] with the reflexive suffix {-'egh} ("do something to oneself") to convey a meaning similar to that of {chegh} ["return to a place"]:
{pa'Daq jItatlh'egh} "I return to the room" [...]
The {tatlh'egh} form seems to suggest that the doer of the action is forcing himself/herself to do something, perhaps because it is difficult or not desirable.
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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