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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Eurotalk - New Specialism - Time
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Tue Nov 8 13:19:44 2011
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Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:19:26 +0100
From: =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIE3DvGxsZXI=?= <esperantist@gmail.com>
To: Noah Bogart <nbtheduke@gmail.com>
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There's another possibility.
We count days in two independent systems: days, months, years on the one
side, days of the week on the other. So the first day of the year isn't
always a Monday (or Sunday, for some). The Mayas had a similar calendar
system with two (or even three) independent counting systems.
So it might be similar for Klingon:
A new day starts at dawn, but the time is still counted from the midnight
on. That also coincides with my sense of time: even at 3 o'clock in the
morning, I'd still say it's not the new day, yet, because for my inner
clock the new day starts when I get up... or maybe when the sun goes up.
Maybe that's what David meant.
Greetings,
- Andr=C3=A9
2011/11/7 Noah Bogart <nbtheduke@gmail.com>
> What happened to Klingon time being counted from dawn-to-dawn? Is this
> just the Klingon time-keeping words being transposed 6 hours earlier than
> they normally run, or is it now a retcon, or do they actually have a
> totally different system of counting time and what we have here is a
> translation of human time?
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Philip Newton <philip.newton@gmail.com>w=
rote:
>
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 00:34, Adm qe'San <qeSan@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> > Five past five (5:05)a.m. - vaghvatlh vagh rep
>> > 5:05 p.m. (17:05) - wa'maH Sochvatlh vagh rep
>>
>> On the original CD, the Latin script text had a different wording:
>> {vagh pagh vagh rep}. Presumably, this is an earlier (and not canon)
>> version. The sound file and the pIqaD agree with the newer-style
>> wording.
>>
>> Other spelling differences include:
>>
>> * consistent space before {vatlh}, e.g. *{wa' vatlh rep} "1:00"
>> * consistent lack of {vatlh} if minutes are mentioned, e.g. *{wa'
>> wa'maH vagh rep} "1:15". (With {pagh} inserted if the minutes are less
>> than ten.)
>>
>> > I separated the vatlh from the wa'maH to show that it is a
>> > specialized usage of vatlh (wa'maHvatlh can't be a normal Klingon
>> number). I
>> > left it attached to Hutvatlh and so on because they happen to be regul=
ar
>> > Klingon numbers anyway.
>>
>> Ah, that explains that! I had been wondering about {wa'maH vatlh} and
>> {cha'maH vatlh}.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Philip
>> --
>> Philip Newton <philip.newton@gmail.com>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">There's another possibility.<br>We count days in two i=
ndependent systems: days, months, years on the one side, days of the week o=
n the other. So the first day of the year isn't always a Monday (or Sun=
day, for some). The Mayas had a similar calendar system with two (or even t=
hree) independent counting systems.<br>
<br>So it might be similar for Klingon:<br>A new day starts at dawn, but th=
e time is still counted from the midnight on. That also coincides with my s=
ense of time: even at 3 o'clock in the morning, I'd still say it=
9;s not the new day, yet, because for my inner clock the new day starts whe=
n I get up... or maybe when the sun goes up. Maybe that's what David me=
ant.<br>
<br>Greetings,<br>- Andr=C3=A9 <br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2=
011/11/7 Noah Bogart <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:nbtheduke@gmai=
l.com">nbtheduke@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;=
">
What happened to Klingon time being counted from dawn-to-dawn? Is this just=
the Klingon time-keeping words being transposed 6 hours earlier than they =
normally run, or is it now a retcon, or do they actually have a totally dif=
ferent system of counting time and what we have here is a translation of hu=
man time?<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Philip Newt=
on <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:philip.newton@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">philip.newton@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
<div>On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 00:34, Adm qe'San <<a href=3D"mailto:qeS=
an@btinternet.com" target=3D"_blank">qeSan@btinternet.com</a>> wrote:<br=
>
> Five past five (5:05)a.m. - =C2=A0 =C2=A0 vaghvatlh vagh rep<br>
> 5:05 p.m. (17:05) - =C2=A0 =C2=A0 wa'maH Sochvatlh vagh rep<br>
<br>
</div>On the original CD, the Latin script text had a different wording:<br=
>
{vagh pagh vagh rep}. Presumably, this is an earlier (and not canon)<br>
version. The sound file and the pIqaD agree with the newer-style<br>
wording.<br>
<br>
Other spelling differences include:<br>
<br>
* consistent space before {vatlh}, e.g. *{wa' vatlh rep} "1:00&quo=
t;<br>
* consistent lack of {vatlh} if minutes are mentioned, e.g. *{wa'<br>
wa'maH vagh rep} "1:15". (With {pagh} inserted if the minutes=
are less<br>
than ten.)<br>
<div><br>
> I separated the vatlh from the wa'maH to show that it is a<br>
> specialized usage of vatlh (wa'maHvatlh can't be a normal Klin=
gon number). I<br>
> left it attached to Hutvatlh and so on because they happen to be regul=
ar<br>
> Klingon numbers anyway.<br>
<br>
</div>Ah, that explains that! I had been wondering about {wa'maH vatlh}=
and<br>
{cha'maH vatlh}.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Philip<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<span><font color=3D"#888888">--<br>
Philip Newton <<a href=3D"mailto:philip.newton@gmail.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">philip.newton@gmail.com</a>><br>
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