[90453] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: jaw
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Trimboli)
Thu Nov 3 11:55:41 2011
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 11:55:20 -0400
From: David Trimboli <david@trimboli.name>
To: tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
In-Reply-To: <F52986192E9FE346B0B7EF3D6F98E87711BF960E@EXDB3.ug.kth.se>
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On 11/3/2011 11:10 AM, Felix Malmenbeck wrote:
> The classic formula is something like: mujang, jatlh, jIH HInob.
Don't think of it as a formula. You're saying two things that are
closely related.
mujangpu'; jatlh "jIHvaD yInob."
He answered me and said, "Give it to me."
Answering and speaking are two distinct actions. This is colloquially
translated as "He answered, 'Give it to me.'"
But "he" could *do* anything, not just "answer." There's no reason to
stick to verbs describing speech, except that one might be translating
from English a little too closely.
mupupta'; jatlh "jIHvaD yInob."
He kicked me; he said, "Give it to me."
He kicked me and said, "Give it to me."
He kicked me. "Give it to me."
> However, both tlhob and jang are actually used this way in Power Klingon.
Yes, Power Klingon came out before Okrand's explanation of verbs of
saying, and does not agree with it. Both instances appear in the jokes,
so it's possible, though unexplained, that the jokes have some kind of
fixed grammar that hasn't been updated to "current" ta' Hol. (They are,
after all, appreciated by Klingons in the same way songs are.)
--
SuStel
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