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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Eurotalk - New Words - Colors
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Wed Nov 2 19:33:40 2011
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: "Michael Roney, Jr. PKT" <nahqun@gmail.com>, "tlhIngan-Hol@KLI.org"
<tlhIngan-Hol@KLI.org>
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 23:32:46 +0000
In-Reply-To: <CAMZYS2Wp_m3kdvf+fb24xCDO15fR=gSnQdJ=ydaDYarHCS2uzA@mail.gmail.com>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
> I would only want that to happen if Okrand was in charge of the shades
> presented.
> The CD-ROM version has a different image file than the Download version.
> And they are free to change the file in the future as well.
Good point.
> And WRT skin tone; Orions aren't all the same shade.
Not the same exact shade, however, but they're clearly more green than blue=
. I imagine Doq/SuD 'ej X rur constructions refer to a range of colors, dep=
ending on how wide the variety is in reality and what cultural connotations=
exist.
Consider the fact that the Andorian Commander Shran refers to humans as "pi=
nk-skins", in spite of the fact that there are non-whites serving on Enterp=
rise, and in spite of the fact that even the whites have slightly varying s=
hades.
Speaking of Andorians: There is a white subspecies of Andorians, but if I w=
ere to tell you that something were Andorian-colored, you'd probably envisi=
on something a fairly light shade of blue.
[Where I grew up, we used the word "m=E4nniskof=E4rgad" ("human-colored") t=
o refer to pink:ish beige, and I believe this word was fairly widespread (a=
lthough slightly less used than "hudf=E4rgad" ("skin-colored"). Judging by =
the low number of hits these words get on Google, I'm guessing the younger =
generation uses these words a lot less.]
> And I'm curious how you came up with *qo'larngan.
> Did you bring it up in the recent discussion on Orions?
I'm afraid I missed that discussion :/
Been watching Star Trek: Enterprise, recently, and it struck me that since =
the Orions occupy an area of space between Earth and the Klingon Empire [ac=
tually, it seems I may have been slightly off with this, but that's the the=
ory I was working with, anyway], and because they appear to have been an es=
tablished power at the time of first contact between Klingons and Humans, t=
he Klingon word for "Orion" is more likely to be based on the Orions' name =
for themselves, rather than any Terran word (unlike, for example, romuluSng=
an, which is explicitly stated in KGT to be based on the Federation Standar=
d word, rather than the native one (which I think is likely a nod at Rihann=
su)).
Looked around to see what Orions call themselves, and it seems that in much=
of fandom they're known as Kolari; appears it goes back to an RPG suppleme=
nt from 2003 ( http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Roleplaying-Game-Aliens/dp/1=
582369070 ) and probably spread thanks to Memory Beta and the like. By no m=
eans definitive, but I personally like it a lot more than Orion.
[It is of course possible that Orion is in fact the Orion name for Orion. I=
t's been speculated that there are at least two Rigel systems in Star Trek:=
One so called because it's what humans decided to call it (coincidentally,=
this one is in the constellation Orion), and one because it's what the inh=
abitants chose to call it.]
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