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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: DaHjaj
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Mon Oct 31 15:51:11 2011
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>, "tlhIngan-Hol@KLI.org"
<tlhIngan-Hol@KLI.org>
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:50:47 +0000
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Sorry, accidentally sent that last e-mail before I was finished.
The source for DaHjaj 'arlogh Qoylu'pu' is this: http://klingonska.org/canon/search/?file=1999-03-holqed-08-1.txt&get=source
It explains the imagined origins of the phrase 'arlogh Qoylu'pu', and explains that nowadays it's used idiomatically, making time elements such as DaHjaj inappropriate:
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Regardless of its original full
form, the expression comes down to
us now as simply {'arlogh
Qoylu'pu'?}. The phrase is considered
an idiom because what it means
(<What time is it?>) cannot be
understood on the basis of the
meanings of its components (<How
many times has someone heard it?>).
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From: Felix Malmenbeck
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 20:48
To: Steven Boozer; tlhIngan-Hol@KLI.org
Subject: RE: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: DaHjaj
Interesting note about DaHjaj: When the subject of a sentence, both DaHjaj and jajvam may be used, but jajvam is more common. As a time element, it seems it's always DaHjaj that's used.
http://klingonska.org/canon/search/?file=1997-06-29d-news.txt&get=source
Another canonical use is DaHjaj 'arlogh Qoylu'pu':
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It has also been speculated that
there was once a bit more to this
expression, namely an element
stating the time period the
questioner was concerned about. For
example, maybe people said:
{DaHjaj 'arlogh Qoylu'pu'?}
That is, <Today, how many times
has someone heard it?> suggesting that
the questioner is concerned about
how much time has gone by <today>
(as opposed to, say, <this week>).
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ghItlhta' Voragh,
> tlhIngan Hol Danummo' pIquvmoH.
> tlhIngan Hol yejHaD Datoy'mo' pInaD.
> DaHjaj matlh jupna' pIpong.
Interesting; I've seen the DaHjaj matlh jupna' pIpong sentence before, but this is the first time I see the rest of it. Surprised by the use of num; I'd've thought it meant "to increase the rank of"
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