[90119] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' vaghmaH vagh:
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Qov)
Mon Oct 17 19:23:10 2011
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 07:29:44 -0700
To: tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org
From: Qov <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
In-Reply-To: <BAY166-W187B2069C48EFB56DFC834AAE40@phx.gbl>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
At 04:29 17/10/2011, you wrote:
> > jatlh SuypIn "tlhIngan jInmolmo' joS Sung."
>
>Hm. {joSchuq} qaq law' {joS} qaq puS 'e' vISIv.
While I appreciate that joS is a to-each-other sort of activity, I
think that the nature of gossip is included in the verb, so there'd
have to be an extra to-each-other sense for me to want -chuq. They
aren't gossipping about each other, and in this case the aren't even
gossipping to each other, they're gossipping to an alien merchant, so
I think I'll keep it without the -chuq.
> > pegh, 'a pochtaHvIS lubej Sung puS.
>
>I'm not saying the usage is wrong, but to me 'op Sung would be better
>than Sung puS here. Sung puS seems a bit like a calque (presumably "a
>few natives"?), and in the Klingon it sounds like the emphasis is on
>there having been *only* a few (so puS as opposed to law', rather than
>puS as opposed to pagh).
I never translated it, although maybe I should as I'm catching a few
things as I translate passages for an interested friend. I think the
puS choice reflects the fact that I learned Klingon well before 'op
existed, so it used to play that role. vIchoHta'.
> > pIj qaS cha' mut luDuDlu'."
>
>{luDuDlu'DI'} DajatlhnISlaw'.
luDuDulu'DI' - that's fun to type.
> > wa'maH cheb'a' Qenvob tIje'.[20]
>
>If it were me I'd say Qenvob wa'maH cheb'a', but I'm not sure if I
>really find wa'maH cheb'a' Qenvob objectionable. I don't know why.
I'm hoping to collect a few opinions on this one.
>Maybe wa'maH cheb'a' ngI'bogh Qenvob might be better.
I think I used that later for emphasis.
>SuQchoHlaHbogh tIr qech vItIvbej! (yabwIj'e' SuQ tIr vInuDbogh jIH rut
>'e' vISIv...) 'ej mu' chu' Dalo'pu'bogh vIghovlaw' 'e' vIHar. 'ach
>vI'angQo'. :)
lutvam vIQulmeH tej ghItlhmey vIlaD. vI'angDI' bIHagh.
- Qov
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