[90112] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol]
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Mon Oct 17 14:47:04 2011
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:40:11 -0700
To: tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org
From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
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At 11:15 17/10/2011, lab voragh:
> >> >> I would think that *{'op Human} would also work here.
> > > To me, that would emphasize the fact that there are a number of humans
> > that dare eat these things, rather than the =
> fact that those who do are few.
>It might just be my dialect, but {'op} "some" =
>implies "few" or at least "not many".
To me "some" merely implies a number greater than =
zero and probably less than all. I would read =
{qagh Sopqang 'op Human} as confirming the =
existence of humans that will eat the stuff but =
{qagh Sopqang Human puS} as emphasizing the scarcity of such humans.
If I were told that of a ship with a crew =
complement of a hundred, {DujvamDaq Heghpu' 'op =
SuvwIpu'} I would expect to see between three and =
ninety body bags unloaded, but wouldn't consider =
the statement inaccurate unless there had been =
fewer than two deaths. If everyone had died I =
would consider it more imprecise than inaccurate. =
Some for me is the opposite of none, not an indication of scarcity.
In a formal logic problem does "Some Q are X" =
necessarily imply that "There exist Q that are not X"?
So {Sung puS} and {Sung law'} are both {'op Sung}.
>Here's that S7 example again: 'ej DujvamDaq 'op =
>SuvwI' tu'lu'bogh po' law' tlhIngan yo' SuvwI' =
>law' po' puS It [IKC Pagh] has... some of the =
>finest warriors in the Klingon fleet. S7 =
>{DujvamDaq 'op SuvwI' tu'lu'bogh} "some of the =
>warriors aboard this ship". Not all of them, =
>not most of them, but some of them (whatever =
>their number). I think of {'op} as being the =
>opposite of {HochHom} "most, greater part", =
>which also appears in only one example: =85 =
>qItI'nga' Duj. tera' vatlh DIS poH cha'maH wej =
>HochHom lo'lu'taH [The] K'Tinga-class remained =
>in use for most of the 23rd century. S15 -- =
>Voragh Ca'Non Master of the Klingons =
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