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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] 2 letter language code for Klingon?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Terrence Donnelly)
Thu Oct 6 17:51:41 2011
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:51:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Terrence Donnelly <terrence.donnelly@sbcglobal.net>
To: tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
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It's dangerous to speculate about what would be "better" for writing any la=
nguage, but given ta' Hol's penchant for CVC syllables, something similar t=
o Korean hangul would probably be the most efficient. But if other dialects=
of Klingon have different syllable forms, then a simple alphabet may have =
proven most flexible over time.
-- ter'eS
--- On Thu, 10/6/11, Josh Badgley <joshbadgley@hotmail.com> wrote:
bIlughbej Mark.=A0 I am very pleased with pIqaD as is.=A0 I have found it i=
ncredibly easy to learn to write, and my reading skills are coming along we=
ll.=A0 And I wanted to add a few thoughts.=A0 First of all, the idea that p=
IqaD "turn[ing] out to be nothing more than a simple alphabet" is not so fa=
r-fetched.=A0 Perhaps those of us living in Western countries who are accus=
tomed to the Latin alphabet would find it more "alien" if pIqaD turned out =
to be an abudiga a la Devanagari or an even more complex system (like Chine=
se), but we are not the only humans on the planet. Perhaps a native speaker=
of a language written in Devanagari would find it equally "exotic" and "al=
ien" to have an alphabet such as ours where the letters are not joined toge=
ther and each consonant does not have an inherent "a" sound.=A0 What I am s=
aying is that there seems to be no way to devise a "litmus test" to determi=
ne whether or not the pIqaD that is now canon is sufficiently "alien"
enough.=A0 And I would also argue that perhaps Klingons would find such a =
system much more straightforward and economical.=A0 Perhaps it would be eas=
ier for Klingon children to learn, meaning that they could spend less time =
on learning the alphabet and more time learning the art of war.=A0=20
Just a few thoughts, I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but I th=
ink for now what we have is pretty damn cool.
-- jhb
> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 07:23:18 -0400
> From: mark@kli.org
> To: tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] 2 letter language code for Klingon?
>=20
> On 10/05/2011 09:22 AM, David Trimboli wrote:
> > I, for one, will be
> > quite disappointed if it turns out that the poorly understood pIqaD tha=
t
> > handles all the dialects well mentioned in TKD turns out to be nothing =
more
> > than a simple alphabet that happens to exactly match the transcription
> > system introduced in the same book. What a waste!
>=20
> It might be disappointing, and it would be cooler if it were otherwise,=
=20
> but it should be noted that if it really be as simple as that, even so=20
> that would be completely feasible as a "real" language. Such things=20
> happen all the time, when spellings get set to a standard dialect.
>=20
> ~mark
>=20
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;">It's dangerous to speculate about what would =
be "better" for writing any language, but given <span style=3D"font-weight:=
bold;">ta' Hol'</span>s penchant for CVC syllables, something similar to K=
orean <span style=3D"font-style: italic;">hangul</span> would probably be t=
he most efficient. But if other dialects of Klingon have different syllable=
forms, then a simple alphabet may have proven most flexible over time.<br>=
<br>-- ter'eS<br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 10/6/11, Josh Badgley <i><joshbadgle=
y@hotmail.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px s=
olid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">bIlughbej Mark=
. I am very pleased with pIqaD as is. I have found it incredibl=
y easy to learn to write, and my reading skills are coming along well. =
; And I wanted to add a few thoughts. First of all, the idea that pIq=
aD
"turn[ing] out to be nothing more than a simple alphabet" is not so far-fe=
tched. Perhaps those of us living in Western countries who are accust=
omed to the Latin alphabet would find it more "alien" if pIqaD turned out t=
o be an abudiga a la Devanagari or an even more complex system (like Chines=
e), but we are not the only humans on the planet. Perhaps a native speaker =
of a language written in Devanagari would find it equally "exotic" and "ali=
en" to have an alphabet such as ours where the letters are not joined toget=
her and each consonant does not have an inherent "a" sound. What I am=
saying is that there seems to be no way to devise a "litmus test" to deter=
mine whether or not the pIqaD that is now canon is sufficiently "alien" eno=
ugh. And I would also argue that perhaps Klingons would find such a s=
ystem much more straightforward and economical. Perhaps it would be e=
asier for Klingon children to learn, meaning that they could spend
less time on learning the alphabet and more time learning the art of war.&=
nbsp; <br><div id=3D"yiv85298642"><div dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"" face=3D=
"Courier New"><br>Just a few thoughts, I probably don't know what I'm talki=
ng about, but I think for now what we have is pretty damn cool.<br id=3D"yi=
v85298642FontBreak"></font><br><br><font style=3D"" face=3D"Courier New"><b=
r>-- jhb<br></font><br><br><div>> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 07:23:18 -0400<b=
r>> From: mark@kli.org<br>> To: tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org=
<br>> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] 2 letter language code for Klingon?<br=
>> <br>> On 10/05/2011 09:22 AM, David Trimboli wrote:<br>> > I=
, for one, will be<br>> > quite disappointed if it turns out that the=
poorly understood pIqaD that<br>> > handles all the dialects well me=
ntioned in TKD turns out to be nothing more<br>> > than a simple alph=
abet that happens to exactly match the transcription<br>> > system
introduced in the same book. What a waste!<br>> <br>> It might be di=
sappointing, and it would be cooler if it were otherwise, <br>> but it s=
hould be noted that if it really be as simple as that, even so <br>> tha=
t would be completely feasible as a "real" language. Such things <br>> h=
appen all the time, when spellings get set to a standard dialect.<br>> <=
br>> ~mark<br>> <br>> ____________________________________________=
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