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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] 2 letter language code for Klingon?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Josh Badgley)
Thu Oct 6 08:04:14 2011
From: Josh Badgley <joshbadgley@hotmail.com>
To: <mark@kli.org>, <tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 07:03:44 -0500
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bIlughbej Mark. I am very pleased with pIqaD as is. I have found it incre=
dibly easy to learn to write=2C and my reading skills are coming along well=
. And I wanted to add a few thoughts. First of all=2C the idea that pIqaD=
"turn[ing] out to be nothing more than a simple alphabet" is not so far-fe=
tched. Perhaps those of us living in Western countries who are accustomed =
to the Latin alphabet would find it more "alien" if pIqaD turned out to be =
an abudiga a la Devanagari or an even more complex system (like Chinese)=2C=
but we are not the only humans on the planet. Perhaps a native speaker of =
a language written in Devanagari would find it equally "exotic" and "alien"=
to have an alphabet such as ours where the letters are not joined together=
and each consonant does not have an inherent "a" sound. What I am saying =
is that there seems to be no way to devise a "litmus test" to determine whe=
ther or not the pIqaD that is now canon is sufficiently "alien" enough. An=
d I would also argue that perhaps Klingons would find such a system much mo=
re straightforward and economical. Perhaps it would be easier for Klingon =
children to learn=2C meaning that they could spend less time on learning th=
e alphabet and more time learning the art of war. =20
Just a few thoughts=2C I probably don't know what I'm talking about=2C but =
I think for now what we have is pretty damn cool.
-- jhb
> Date: Thu=2C 6 Oct 2011 07:23:18 -0400
> From: mark@kli.org
> To: tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] 2 letter language code for Klingon?
>=20
> On 10/05/2011 09:22 AM=2C David Trimboli wrote:
> > I=2C for one=2C will be
> > quite disappointed if it turns out that the poorly understood pIqaD tha=
t
> > handles all the dialects well mentioned in TKD turns out to be nothing =
more
> > than a simple alphabet that happens to exactly match the transcription
> > system introduced in the same book. What a waste!
>=20
> It might be disappointing=2C and it would be cooler if it were otherwise=
=2C=20
> but it should be noted that if it really be as simple as that=2C even so=
=20
> that would be completely feasible as a "real" language. Such things=20
> happen all the time=2C when spellings get set to a standard dialect.
>=20
> ~mark
>=20
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<font style=3D"" face=3D"Courier New">bIlughbej Mark. =3B I am very ple=
ased with pIqaD as is. =3B I have found it incredibly easy to learn to =
write=2C and my reading skills are coming along well. =3B And I wanted =
to add a few thoughts. =3B First of all=2C the idea that pIqaD "turn[in=
g] out to be nothing more than a simple alphabet" is not so far-fetched.&nb=
sp=3B Perhaps those of us living in Western countries who are accustomed to=
the Latin alphabet would find it more "alien" if pIqaD turned out to be an=
abudiga a la Devanagari or an even more complex system (like Chinese)=2C b=
ut we are not the only humans on the planet. Perhaps a native speaker of a =
language written in Devanagari would find it equally "exotic" and "alien" t=
o have an alphabet such as ours where the letters are not joined together a=
nd each consonant does not have an inherent "a" sound. =3B What I am sa=
ying is that there seems to be no way to devise a "litmus test" to determin=
e whether or not the pIqaD that is now canon is sufficiently "alien" enough=
. =3B And I would also argue that perhaps Klingons would find such a sy=
stem much more straightforward and economical. =3B Perhaps it would be =
easier for Klingon children to learn=2C meaning that they could spend less =
time on learning the alphabet and more time learning the art of war. =
=3B <br><br>Just a few thoughts=2C I probably don't know what I'm talking a=
bout=2C but I think for now what we have is pretty damn cool.<br id=3D"Font=
Break"></font><br><br><font style=3D"" face=3D"Courier New"><br>-- jhb<br><=
/font><br><br><div>>=3B Date: Thu=2C 6 Oct 2011 07:23:18 -0400<br>>=3B =
From: mark@kli.org<br>>=3B To: tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org<br>&=
gt=3B Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] 2 letter language code for Klingon?<br>&g=
t=3B <br>>=3B On 10/05/2011 09:22 AM=2C David Trimboli wrote:<br>>=3B &=
gt=3B I=2C for one=2C will be<br>>=3B >=3B quite disappointed if it tur=
ns out that the poorly understood pIqaD that<br>>=3B >=3B handles all t=
he dialects well mentioned in TKD turns out to be nothing more<br>>=3B &g=
t=3B than a simple alphabet that happens to exactly match the transcription=
<br>>=3B >=3B system introduced in the same book. What a waste!<br>>=
=3B <br>>=3B It might be disappointing=2C and it would be cooler if it we=
re otherwise=2C <br>>=3B but it should be noted that if it really be as s=
imple as that=2C even so <br>>=3B that would be completely feasible as a =
"real" language. Such things <br>>=3B happen all the time=2C when spellin=
gs get set to a standard dialect.<br>>=3B <br>>=3B ~mark<br>>=3B <br>=
>=3B _______________________________________________<br>>=3B Tlhingan-h=
ol mailing list<br>>=3B Tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org<br>>=3B h=
ttp://stodi.digitalkingdom.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol<br></div> =
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