[89896] in tlhIngan-Hol
[Tlhingan-hol] FW: EuroTalk - First Impressions
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Josh Badgley)
Sat Oct 1 10:52:02 2011
From: Josh Badgley <joshbadgley@hotmail.com>
To: KLI <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 09:51:31 -0500
In-Reply-To: <SNT106-W303F87667C9B2723655909A1F40@phx.gbl>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
--===============2609280546784381824==
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="_8c339753-cda2-443b-8d15-2942fed6ed95_"
--_8c339753-cda2-443b-8d15-2942fed6ed95_
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
-- jhb
From: joshbadgley@hotmail.com
To: robyn@flyingstart.ca
Subject: RE: [Tlhingan-hol] EuroTalk - First Impressions
Date: Sat=2C 1 Oct 2011 09:50:49 -0500
I absolutely love the word for India...brilliant=2C exactly what I would ha=
ve chosen. The others are great too=2C but as a lover of Indian culture I =
have to say Dr. Okrand did well.
And yeah the HIzha is jarring as is the gobe=2C and sometimes it seems like=
the words are spoken far too quickly...like qa'vIn sounds to me like kahve=
en!
Still awesome=2C cant wait to see if my daughter likes it
-- jhb
> Date: Fri=2C 30 Sep 2011 22:38:00 -0600
> To: tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org
> From: robyn@flyingstart.ca
> Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] EuroTalk - First Impressions
>=20
> No word spoilers=2C just what it's like.
>=20
> [I said before I couldn't install it=2C but then I found a rogue=20
> program that had created a file as big as half my hard drive=2C so=20
> deleted that and installed EuroTalk.]
>=20
> There are two speakers=2C a man and a woman. That must be Charlotte and=20
> Jonathan. Jonathan's speech is better. You can hear the German=20
> accent=2C but it sounds cool=2C except when =2C he defers to his German=20
> spelling rules and pronounces a w as a v. Charlotte has trouble with=20
> some Klingon sounds. She says gIch for ghIch=2C baghneH for baghneQ=2C=20
> hImmey for Qimmey and maybe gHo' for ghop. Also I hear nIb for ngIb=20
> and lIlwI' for rIlwI'. In the game she says HIzha instead of HIja'.=20
> It's possible there is a bit of the McGurk effect going on with the=20
> little people that talk. It got so that I didn't want to answer=20
> correctly in the game=2C because I didn't want to hear that HIzha. But=20
> I have to hear a gobe' if I got it wrong. You can choose to click on=20
> Jonathan for his pronunciation=2C or they just alternate if you don't.=20
> Too bad ''ISqu' didn't do it.
>=20
> I started with the body parts section. It has a picture of a person=20
> with arrows to all the parts and when you click on them the programme=20
> tells you the names. No new body parts in here.
>=20
> * The qanwI' is highlighted=2C so of course I said qanwI' but they want=20
> nItlh. In fact even my non Klingon-speaking husband looked at the=20
> initial learning diagram and said "they only have one of the fingers."
>=20
> * The pictures are great. You have to identify body parts on a=20
> stunningly diverse group of people. I had to stop for a moment to=20
> FIND the DeSqIv on one=2C because his body shape is so unusual.
>=20
> And then I click on the colours section. I see red=2C green light blue=2C=
=20
> yellow=2C orange=2C brown=2C purple=2C black=2C grey=2C white=2C pink and=
=20
> blue. I'm in suspense=2C actually typing this before clicking on any.
>=20
> On one colour=2C he says: SuD 'ej qugh. She says: SuD 'ej qoH. Heh=2C=20
> reminds me of the character in my bemorngan story. She couldn't say=20
> Hurgh either. There's new canon here=2C *I think* but not new words=2C=20
> more like confirmation of what we would have come up with on our own.=20
> Jonathan=2C why does your green SuD sound like Suj? Ooh=2C so does=20
> Charlotte's. There are people who will walk away from this thinking=20
> that green is Suj and yellow is SuD (they both get it right for=20
> yellow)=2C and that red is dock and orange is Doq. They both use a=20
> short o for the red version. Even my husband heard that one=2C then=20
> said "maj" to praise them when I subsequently clicked on orange.
>=20
> Countries are AWESOME=2C but mine is really hard to say. Two stopped=20
> syllables and an unstopped one. Jonathan stops all three and=20
> Charlotte does better but stresses the unstopped one. New Zealand is=20
> unexpected. The Klingon who named that one didn't speak any DIvI'=20
> Hol. I don't hear the middle vowel from either of them for Turkey.=20
> Whoa! What is the canon status of words that don't match their=20
> spellings on this DVD? Hmm there's a word other than wo' tay' here=20
> for the UK. And I think it is an error that the words for the US and=20
> UK do not end with the same letter.
>=20
> The suspense and anticipation as I hover over something like a=20
> picture of a can of coke is so fun. Is it going to be a new word or a=20
> description? I was into the foods section=2C and not disappointed.=20
> Although it's sold as "as if Klingons lived on Earth" you can really=20
> read it as what a colony of Klingon ex-pats would call this stuff.=20
> And then ... I am forced to report=2C when I clicked on the pear=2C the=20
> program threw an exception and exited. I'll blame my computer.
>=20
> This is cool. It was much cheaper than I expected. It's fun. Support=20
> your language and buy it! I would definitely buy this product for=20
> other target languages=2C too.
>=20
> - Qov
>=20
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> Tlhingan-hol mailing list
> Tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
> http://stodi.digitalkingdom.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol
=
--_8c339753-cda2-443b-8d15-2942fed6ed95_
Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<html>
<head>
<style><!--
.hmmessage P
{
margin:0px=3B
padding:0px
}
body.hmmessage
{
font-size: 10pt=3B
font-family:Tahoma
}
--></style>
</head>
<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>
<font style=3D"" face=3D"Courier New"><br id=3D"FontBreak"></font><br><br><=
font style=3D"" face=3D"Courier New"><br>-- jhb<br></font><br><br><div><hr =
id=3D"stopSpelling">From: joshbadgley@hotmail.com<br>To: robyn@flyingstart.=
ca<br>Subject: RE: [Tlhingan-hol] EuroTalk - First Impressions<br>Date: Sat=
=2C 1 Oct 2011 09:50:49 -0500<br><br>
<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html=3B charset=3Dunicode=
">
<meta name=3D"Generator" content=3D"Microsoft SafeHTML">
<style>
.ExternalClass .ecxhmmessage P
{padding:0px=3B}
.ExternalClass body.ecxhmmessage
{font-size:10pt=3Bfont-family:Tahoma=3B}
</style>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<font style=3D"" face=3D"Courier New">I absolutely love the word for India.=
..brilliant=2C exactly what I would have chosen. =3B The others are gre=
at too=2C but as a lover of Indian culture I have to say Dr. Okrand did wel=
l.<br><br>And yeah the HIzha is jarring as is the gobe=2C and sometimes it =
seems like the words are spoken far too quickly...like qa'vIn sounds to me =
like kahveen!<br><br>Still awesome=2C cant wait to see if my daughter likes=
it<br id=3D"ecxFontBreak"></font><br><br><font style=3D"" face=3D"Courier =
New"><br>-- jhb<br></font><br><br><div>>=3B Date: Fri=2C 30 Sep 2011 22:3=
8:00 -0600<br>>=3B To: tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org<br>>=3B From: robyn@flyings=
tart.ca<br>>=3B Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] EuroTalk - First Impressions<br>&=
gt=3B <br>>=3B No word spoilers=2C just what it's like.<br>>=3B <br>>=
=3B [I said before I couldn't install it=2C but then I found a rogue <br>&g=
t=3B program that had created a file as big as half my hard drive=2C so <br=
>>=3B deleted that and installed EuroTalk.]<br>>=3B <br>>=3B There ar=
e two speakers=2C a man and a woman. That must be Charlotte and <br>>=3B =
Jonathan. Jonathan's speech is better. You can hear the German <br>>=3B a=
ccent=2C but it sounds cool=2C except when =2C he defers to his German <br>=
>=3B spelling rules and pronounces a w as a v. Charlotte has trouble with=
<br>>=3B some Klingon sounds. She says gIch for ghIch=2C baghneH for bag=
hneQ=2C <br>>=3B hImmey for Qimmey and maybe gHo' for ghop. Also I hear n=
Ib for ngIb <br>>=3B and lIlwI' for rIlwI'. In the game she says HIzha in=
stead of HIja'. <br>>=3B It's possible there is a bit of the McGurk effec=
t going on with the <br>>=3B little people that talk. It got so that I di=
dn't want to answer <br>>=3B correctly in the game=2C because I didn't wa=
nt to hear that HIzha. But <br>>=3B I have to hear a gobe' if I got it wr=
ong. You can choose to click on <br>>=3B Jonathan for his pronunciation=
=2C or they just alternate if you don't. <br>>=3B Too bad ''ISqu' didn't =
do it.<br>>=3B <br>>=3B I started with the body parts section. It has a=
picture of a person <br>>=3B with arrows to all the parts and when you c=
lick on them the programme <br>>=3B tells you the names. No new body par=
ts in here.<br>>=3B <br>>=3B * The qanwI' is highlighted=2C so of cours=
e I said qanwI' but they want <br>>=3B nItlh. In fact even my non Klingon=
-speaking husband looked at the <br>>=3B initial learning diagram and sai=
d "they only have one of the fingers."<br>>=3B <br>>=3B * The pictures =
are great. You have to identify body parts on a <br>>=3B stunningly diver=
se group of people. I had to stop for a moment to <br>>=3B FIND the DeSqI=
v on one=2C because his body shape is so unusual.<br>>=3B <br>>=3B And =
then I click on the colours section. I see red=2C green light blue=2C <br>&=
gt=3B yellow=2C orange=2C brown=2C purple=2C black=2C grey=2C white=2C pink=
and <br>>=3B blue. I'm in suspense=2C actually typing this before click=
ing on any.<br>>=3B <br>>=3B On one colour=2C he says: SuD 'ej qugh. Sh=
e says: SuD 'ej qoH. Heh=2C <br>>=3B reminds me of the character in my be=
morngan story. She couldn't say <br>>=3B Hurgh either. There's new canon =
here=2C *I think* but not new words=2C <br>>=3B more like confirmation of=
what we would have come up with on our own. <br>>=3B Jonathan=2C why doe=
s your green SuD sound like Suj? Ooh=2C so does <br>>=3B Charlotte's. The=
re are people who will walk away from this thinking <br>>=3B that green i=
s Suj and yellow is SuD (they both get it right for <br>>=3B yellow)=2C a=
nd that red is dock and orange is Doq. They both use a <br>>=3B short o f=
or the red version. Even my husband heard that one=2C then <br>>=3B said =
"maj" to praise them when I subsequently clicked on orange.<br>>=3B <br>&=
gt=3B Countries are AWESOME=2C but mine is really hard to say. Two stopped =
<br>>=3B syllables and an unstopped one. Jonathan stops all three and <br=
>>=3B Charlotte does better but stresses the unstopped one. New Zealand i=
s <br>>=3B unexpected. The Klingon who named that one didn't speak any DI=
vI' <br>>=3B Hol. I don't hear the middle vowel from either of them for T=
urkey. <br>>=3B Whoa! What is the canon status of words that don't match =
their <br>>=3B spellings on this DVD? Hmm there's a word other than wo' t=
ay' here <br>>=3B for the UK. And I think it is an error that the words f=
or the US and <br>>=3B UK do not end with the same letter.<br>>=3B <br>=
>=3B The suspense and anticipation as I hover over something like a <br>&=
gt=3B picture of a can of coke is so fun. Is it going to be a new word or a=
<br>>=3B description? I was into the foods section=2C and not disappoint=
ed. <br>>=3B Although it's sold as "as if Klingons lived on Earth" you ca=
n really <br>>=3B read it as what a colony of Klingon ex-pats would call =
this stuff. <br>>=3B And then ... I am forced to report=2C when I clicked=
on the pear=2C the <br>>=3B program threw an exception and exited. I'll =
blame my computer.<br>>=3B <br>>=3B This is cool. It was much cheaper t=
han I expected. It's fun. Support <br>>=3B your language and buy it! I wo=
uld definitely buy this product for <br>>=3B other target languages=2C to=
o.<br>>=3B <br>>=3B - Qov<br>>=3B <br>>=3B <br>>=3B _____________=
__________________________________<br>>=3B Tlhingan-hol mailing list<br>&=
gt=3B Tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org<br>>=3B http://stodi.digitalk=
ingdom.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol<br></div> </div></div> =
</div></body>
</html>=
--_8c339753-cda2-443b-8d15-2942fed6ed95_--
--===============2609280546784381824==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline
_______________________________________________
Tlhingan-hol mailing list
Tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
http://stodi.digitalkingdom.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol
--===============2609280546784381824==--
