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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] FW: Google Search in Klingon
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Wed Sep 21 15:00:04 2011
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:59:34 -0500
In-Reply-To: <SNT106-W343F7355D2E0E164F3BA9AA10D0@phx.gbl>
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For "news" or a "news item" I like to use the noun {potlh} "consequential t=
hing, something important".
Examples of {wanI'} "phenomenon, event, occurrence" in canon:
naDev qaS wanI' ramqu'
There's nothing happening here. (TKD)
Heghlu'DI' mobbe'lu'chugh QaQqu' Hegh wanI'
Death is an experience best shared. (TKW)
wanI'vam Dun luleghlaHmeH tlhIngan SuvwI' Duypu' bongeH 'e' lutul tera'ngan=
pu'
We hope that you can send a delegation of honorable emissaries to witness t=
his glorious event. ('U'-MTK; i.e. an opera)
qaStaHvIS wanI'vam yIDachQo'
Don't miss this event! (WSC; i.e. a play)
Although he didn't mention {wanI'}, Okrand indicated the types of things he=
considers events in HolQeD 12.2 (p.8):
HQ 12.2: When an event over which one has some control ends (one can't cau=
se a month to end), a different verb is used: {van}. This would apply to su=
ch things as voyages, battles, plays, operas, stories, and songs. Here, the=
event (the voyage, the song) doesn't end; the participant in the event or =
the perpetrator of the event ends it.
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
________________________________
From: joshbadgley@hotmail.com
I know I'm still a newbie, but I would think wanI'mey would be a good way t=
o say "news". I've always felt the term "news" really just means the most =
current "events" or "occurences", and it seems pretty direct. As an aside,=
I set my Facebook page to Klingon, and I really don't like the way they la=
bel "events" (in the sense of upcomming parties, or meetings, etc) as wanI'=
mey, so perhaps it's just my own bias that I want to see the term used diff=
erently :)
________________________________
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:43:13 +0200
How would you translate the following terms? I've divided them into two se=
ctions, terms from the main search page, and terms from the advanced search=
page. I've also provided links to the current English and Klingon version=
s of those pages for reference.
News
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ze:12.0pt'>For “news” or a “news item” I like to us=
e the noun {<span class=3DSpellE><b style=3D'mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><=
span style=3D'font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'>potlh</span></b=
></span><b style=3D'mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span style=3D'font-weight=
:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'>}</span></b> “consequential thing,=
something important”.</span></font><font color=3D"#1f497d"><span sty=
le=3D'mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";=
mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></f=
ont></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3D"#1f497d" face=3D"Times=
New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;mso-f=
areast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman=
";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><f=
ont size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Exam=
ples of {<span class=3DSpellE>w<b style=3D'mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><sp=
an style=3D'font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'>anI</span></b></s=
pan><b style=3D'mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span style=3D'font-weight:bol=
d;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'>'} “</span></b>phenomenon, event, <spa=
n class=3DGramE>occurrence</span>” in canon:<o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span class=3DSpellE><span class=3DGramE><b style=3D'mso-bidi-font-weig=
ht:normal'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'>naDev</span></font></=
b></span></span><b style=3D'mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span style=3D'fon=
t-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'> <span class=3DSpellE>qaS</span>=
<span class=3DSpellE>wanI</span>' <span class=3DSpellE>ramqu</span>' <o:p>=
</o:p></span></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>There's nothing happening here. (TK=
D) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D=
"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span>=
</font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DSpellE><b style=3D'mso-bidi-f=
ont-weight:normal'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'>Heghlu'DI</sp=
an></font></b></span><b style=3D'mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span style=
=3D'font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'>' <span class=3DSpellE>mo=
bbe'lu'chugh</span> <span class=3DSpellE>QaQqu</span>' <span class=3DSpellE=
>Hegh</span> <span class=3DSpellE>wanI</span>'</span></b> <o:p></o:p></p><p=
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:12.0pt'>Death is an experience best shared. (TKW</span></font><b s=
tyle=3D'mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span style=3D'mso-bidi-font-family:"C=
ourier New";font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'>)<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b style=3D'mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><fo=
nt size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;mso-bi=
di-font-family:"Courier New";font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'>=
<o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DS=
pellE><span class=3DGramE><b style=3D'mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><font si=
ze=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-fo=
nt-family:"Courier New";font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'>wanI'=
vam</span></font></b></span></span><b style=3D'mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'=
><span style=3D'mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";font-weight:bold;mso-bid=
i-font-weight:normal'> Dun <span class=3DSpellE>luleghlaHmeH</span> tlhInga=
n <span class=3DSpellE>SuvwI</span>' <span class=3DSpellE>Duypu</span>' <sp=
an class=3DSpellE>bongeH</span> 'e' <span class=3DSpellE>lutul</span> <span=
class=3DSpellE>tera'nganpu</span>'</span></b><span style=3D'mso-bidi-font-=
family:"Courier New"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font siz=
e=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Courier New"'>We hope that you can send a delegation of honorable=
emissaries to witness this glorious event. <span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes=
'> </span>('U'-MTK; i.e. an opera)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-s=
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nt></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DSpellE><span class=3DGramE><b sty=
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<span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";font-wei=
ght:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'>qaStaHvIS</span></font></b></span></s=
pan><b style=3D'mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span style=3D'mso-bidi-font-f=
amily:"Courier New";font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'> <span cl=
ass=3DSpellE>wanI’vam</span> <span class=3DSpellE>yIDachQo</span>R=
17;</span></b><span style=3D'mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New"'> <o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New"'>Don't mi=
ss this event! <span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>(WSC; i.e. a p=
lay)<br style=3D'mso-special-character:line-break'><![if !supportLineBreakN=
ewLine]><br style=3D'mso-special-character:line-break'><![endif]></span><o:=
p></o:p></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Ro=
man"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Although he didn’t mention {<sp=
an class=3DSpellE>wanI</span>’}, Okrand indicated the types of things=
he considers events in <span class=3DSpellE>HolQeD</span> 12.2 (p.8):<o:p>=
</o:p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times N=
ew Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Times'>HQ 12.2:<span style=3D'mso=
-spacerun:yes'> </span>When an event over which one has some control =
ends (one can't cause a month to end), a different verb is used: {<b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>van}</span></b>. This would apply to such things=
as voyages, battles, plays, operas, stories, and songs. Here, the event (t=
he voyage, the song) doesn't end; the participant in the event or the perpe=
trator of the event ends it.<br style=3D'mso-special-character:line-break'>=
<![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><br style=3D'mso-special-character:line-bre=
ak'><![endif]></span><b style=3D'mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span style=
=3D'font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><o:p></o:p></span></b></f=
ont></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3D"#1f497d" face=3D"=
Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.5pt;=
mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p=
> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3D=
"#1f497d" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi=
-font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-=
no-proof:yes'>--<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font siz=
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2.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";colo=
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yle=3D'font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-family:"Tim=
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 colo=
r=3D"#1f497d" face=3D"Arial Unicode MS"><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Ro=
man";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div style=3D'border=
:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div><di=
v class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font size=
=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sa=
ns-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"=
100%" align=3Dcenter id=3DstopSpelling></span></font></div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-fa=
mily:"Times New Roman"'>From: joshbadgley@hotmail.com<br style=3D'mso-speci=
al-character:line-break'><![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><br style=3D'mso-s=
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<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-fareast-font-=
family:"Times New Roman"'>I know I'm still a newbie, but I would think wanI=
'mey would be a good way to say "news". I've always felt th=
e term "news" really just means the most current "events&quo=
t; or "occurences", and it seems pretty direct. As an aside=
, I set my Facebook page to Klingon, and I really don't like the way they l=
abel "events" (in the sense of upcomming parties, or meetings, et=
c) as wanI'mey, so perhaps it's just my own bias that I want to see the ter=
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<![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><br style=3D'mso-special-character:line-bre=
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p><div><div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:cente=
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