[89281] in tlhIngan-Hol
RE: chIjwI' tIQ bom: 'ay' cha'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Wed Aug 31 10:08:13 2011
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 08:57:22 -0500
In-Reply-To: <BAY166-W52049EBAB8B426598A96F7AA160@phx.gbl>
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Reply-to: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Qov:
>> Is poS one of those words like 'em and tlhop that doesn't take
>> possessive suffixes?
QeS:
> Now I think about it, I don't actually know! I don't think KGT mentions
> {nIH} and {poS}.
Our only examples of {nIH} "right (side)" and {poS} "left (side)" are:
poSDaq nIHDaq je QamtaHvIS SuvwI'pu', chaH jojDaq yItnIS lopwI'
The initiate must pass through a gauntlet of warriors. (S9)
If {nIH} and {poS} are considered "area nouns" - and I think there's no reason not to - then they are used with pronouns, not possessive suffixes, in standard {ta' Hol}:
KGT 24-25: Another interesting grammatical difference is found in the way prepositional concepts (above, below, and so on) are expressed in the speech typical of the Sakrej ({Sa'Qej}) region. In Klingon in general, such ideas are conveyed by using a special set of nouns ({'em} [area behind], {bIng} [area below], and others) that follow the nouns whose position they are indicating. Thus, "behind the door" is {lojmIt 'em} (literally, "door area behind") and "below the table" is {raS bIng} (literally, "table area below"). A pronoun may be used instead of a noun: {jIH 'em} ("behind me"--literally, "I area behind"), {chaH bIng} ("below them"--literally, "they area below"). In the Sakrej region, however, possessive suffixes are used in place of the independent pronouns: {'emwIj} ("behind me"--literally, "my area behind"), {bIngchaj} ("below them"--literally, "their area below"). Using the possessive suffix construction when speaking {ta'} Hol will not lead to misunderstandings, but it will associate the speaker with the residents of Sakrej, which, depending on the political situation, may or may not be beneficial.
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
