[89163] in tlhIngan-Hol
RE: tlhIngan lalDan
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Tue Aug 23 11:11:18 2011
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>, "david@trimboli.name "
<david@trimboli.name>
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:02:56 +0000
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That should be fine. While Klingons appear to care little for the bodies of the dead, many seem to care greatly about the spirits (qa'pu'; note the -pu'-suffix, indicating that spirits are viewed as being capable of speech).
Many TNG Klingons believe in - or at least speak of - an after-life in Suto'vo'qor or ghe'tor/ghe''or. They revere Emperor Kahless and revile the devil-like creature known as veqlargh. Many even believed that Kahless would return from death, and therefore established the Monastery (ghIn or ghIn'a') on Boreth (or was it Quin'lat?).
Ford's Klingons believed in an eternal battle in the Black Fleet (yo' qIj in Okrandian tlhIngan Hol) and revered General Kahless.
At least one TOS Klingon has claimed that Klingons have no devil.
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From: tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org [tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org] on behalf of Josh Badgley [joshbadgley@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 16:40
To: david@trimboli.name ; tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: tlhIngan lalDan
Just a curious question...I am trying to write my first short story in tlhIngan Hol. My understanding is that the Klingon people slew their gods ages ago...yet within TKD we find terms like lalDan, lat, chIrgh, etc. It would seem from what little I know that Klingons seem to highly revere their honorable ancestors. Would it be out of character if one of the Klingons in my story were to visit a temple, or invoke his ancestors? Maybe not "pray" in the sense of "beg" but more like "worship" or "appease"?
Josh
-----Original Message-----
Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:55:20 am
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
From: David Trimboli <david@trimboli.name>
Subject: RE: nuq bop bom: 'ay' wa'
jatlh Qov:
> Thank you so much for these, SuStel. I really appreciate your working
> through it.
qay'be'. jIHvaD Qu' rap Data'pu'.
> I know I am rusty, so I was TRYING to go for quality not
> quantity here, so that these things I have forgotten could be
> corrected.
>>> meHDaq yaHDajDaq ba' vajar HoD.
>>
>> This needs aspect, or else it's automatically not continuous and not
>> completed. Likewise for any verbs that show something happening in the
>> story, but not for verbs that are simply describing the way things
>> are.
>
> I think I need some more help with this. I generally don't put an
> aspect suffix on a verb until I need to contrast it with other action
> in the paragraph. Are you saying that any verb must have an aspect
> suffix? I totally don't remember that. Could you point me at the
> rule? Or is it just that those particular sentences are confusing
> because you can't tell the aspect of the action?
This is a rule that has largely been ignored by even the most veteran of
Klingon speakers
